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Officials struggle with decisions on remains of hijackers found at crash sites
AP - breaking on the wire | August 16, 2002 | Connie Cass

Posted on 08/16/2002 1:26:22 PM PDT by NYer

WASHINGTON (AP) _ Among the human remains painstakingly sorted from the Pentagon and Pennsylvania crash sites of Sept. 11 are those of nine of the hijackers.

The FBI has held them for months, and no one seems to know what should be done with them. It's a politically and emotionally charged question for the government, which eventually must decide how to dispose of some of the most despised men in American history. ``I think in Islam, you're supposed to be buried whole, so I would take them and scatter them all over the place,'' said Donn Marshall, whose wife, Shelley, died at the Pentagon. ``They don't deserve any kind of religious courtesies.''

In New York, where the monumental task of identifying the remains of 2,823 victims believed to be dead continues, no remains have been linked to the 10 hijackers who crashed two airliners into the World Trade Center. About half the victims' families still are waiting for their loved ones to be identified, though it's likely many never will be because so much of the site was incinerated. In contrast, the remains of all 40 victims in the Pennsylvania crash and all but five of the 184 victims at the Pentagon site were identified months ago.

Little attention has been paid to the terrorists' remains found mingled with those of the victims. ``It's a unique situation,'' said Dr. Jerry Spencer, a former chief medical examiner for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, who worked 30 years as a Navy forensic pathologist. ``The terrorists are usually not in our possession in the United States like this. The other issue is, will the families want them back?''

Four sets of remains in Pennsylvania and five at the Pentagon were grouped together as the hijackers _ but not identified by name _ through a process of elimination.

Families of the airplanes' passengers and crews and those who died within the Pentagon provided DNA samples, typically on toothbrushes or hairbrushes, to aid with identification. The remains that didn't match any of those samples were ruled to be the terrorists, said Chris Kelly, spokesman for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, which did the DNA work. The nine sets of remains matched the number of hijackers believed to be on the two planes. Without reference samples from the hijackers' personal effects or from their immediate families to compare with the recovered DNA, the remains could not be matched to an individual. With the one-year anniversary approaching, State Department officials said Friday they had received no requests for the remains. The department would be responsible for handling such a request from any government seeking the return of a citizen's body.

Officials have said that all but one of the nine hijackers recovered had connections to Saudi Arabia. The other was Lebanese. Officials at the Saudi Embassy in Washington did not respond to requests for comment.

In more typical cases, foreign families also could contact local authorities. But the hijackers' remains are under the control of the FBI. ``To the best of my knowledge, there haven't been any friends or family members to try to claim the remains of these people,'' said Jeff Killeen, spokesman for the FBI field office in Pittsburgh. ``They are in the custody of the FBI in Washington. They have not been released.'' In cases where badly damaged bodies cannot be identified, or when no one steps forward to claim a body, state or local laws usually dictate what will be done with them. ``If it's a mass disaster, and they can't identify the remains, they may put all of them in a mass grave or they may be cremated,'' said Michael Bell, vice president of the National Association of Medical Examiners and the deputy chief examiner for Broward County, Fla.

Authorities usually retain only small DNA samples, photographs or other pertinent information that might lead to identification later or become evidence in a criminal case. A group memorial service is planned for Arlington National Cemetery on Sept. 12, when all the remains from the Pentagon that could not be matched with a particular victim will be buried, said Maj. Sandy Troeber, a spokeswoman. The remains linked to terrorists were taken by the FBI in February, she said.

James Starrs, a professor of forensic science and law at George Washington University, said there should be public oversight of what the government does with human remains, whether they are criminals or victims.

Policies must take into account that there are cases where relatives don't seek repatriation of remains, including many examples of Americans killed on overseas battlefields, noted Starrs, who is known for his forensic work in historical cases, such as the outlaw Jesse James and the mystery of the Boston Strangler. ``Good persons or bad persons, you can't assume that the relatives are going to come to the fore and try to reclaim their remains,'' Starr said.


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Put their remains in the Yucca Mountains of Nevada.

No, wait... that would taint our nuclear waste.
21 posted on 08/16/2002 2:25:53 PM PDT by ricer1
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To: NYer
Officials struggle with decisions on remains of hijackers found at crash sites

My baloney has a first name....

Then feed them to swine.
22 posted on 08/16/2002 2:27:11 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Feed 'em to pigs.

The pigs deserve better. But they won't complain.

It's the pigpen dietary output byproduct that needs to be airdropped and sprayed on the dwelling places of those who wish to attack us. The Gaza Strip would be an excellent starting place.


23 posted on 08/16/2002 2:31:53 PM PDT by archy
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To: quark
Cremate the remains and insert them into the warhead section of the first bomb dropped in Gulf War II!

Great idea. Government military designation:

FU-911 FUEL/ARAB Munition.

24 posted on 08/16/2002 2:34:57 PM PDT by ZOOKER
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To: cubreporter
Maybe you aren't as angry as I am about the monsterous thing they did but I can't think of anything that would be the 'wrong' thing to do with their remains. If they were alive I might think that skinning them might be wrong but we are talking about remains here. Don't spend another dime. I say flush them.
25 posted on 08/16/2002 2:39:24 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: NYer
Certainly there must be some sort of Satanic ritual appropriate for this sort of thing.
27 posted on 08/16/2002 3:10:02 PM PDT by GBA
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To: NYer
Blend the remains in to toilet paper and given as aid to some of the crappiest countries on earth.
28 posted on 08/16/2002 3:16:07 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: quark
Cremate the remains and insert them into the warhead section of the first bomb dropped in Gulf War II!

Great idea!

29 posted on 08/16/2002 3:26:40 PM PDT by Jedi Master Yoda
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To: BlessedAmerican
A good part of the world believes we are lying about the idenity of the hijackers and so I would offer to DNA matching with family members who may want to claim the remains. The stipulation is that they must come here to claim the remains and do it publically. I want the world to see who did this to us

A good idea. And I vote we toss in a few bacon bits as a parting gift.

a.cricket

30 posted on 08/16/2002 3:31:14 PM PDT by another cricket
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To: NYer
Dump pig piss on them.
31 posted on 08/16/2002 3:32:54 PM PDT by weikel
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To: NYer
cremate them. Scatter their ashes at the nearest landfill, then fill in the dumpsite, and build a hog-rendering plant over it.
32 posted on 08/16/2002 3:54:24 PM PDT by redhead
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To: Spruce
Must be menstruating women.
33 posted on 08/16/2002 4:03:07 PM PDT by FrogMom
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To: Ditter
Oh I am angry don't get me wrong. I'm just trying to keep myself from sinking to their level. I actually don't care what they do with them because they are the remains of the scum of the earth. The lowest of the low. The scum with no heart and worse...no soul! They are serving now where they belong in the great fires and damnation of hell. Oh yes my friend, I am angry.
34 posted on 08/16/2002 5:43:57 PM PDT by cubreporter
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