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Officials struggle with decisions on remains of hijackers found at crash sites
AP - breaking on the wire | August 16, 2002 | Connie Cass

Posted on 08/16/2002 1:26:22 PM PDT by NYer

WASHINGTON (AP) _ Among the human remains painstakingly sorted from the Pentagon and Pennsylvania crash sites of Sept. 11 are those of nine of the hijackers.

The FBI has held them for months, and no one seems to know what should be done with them. It's a politically and emotionally charged question for the government, which eventually must decide how to dispose of some of the most despised men in American history. ``I think in Islam, you're supposed to be buried whole, so I would take them and scatter them all over the place,'' said Donn Marshall, whose wife, Shelley, died at the Pentagon. ``They don't deserve any kind of religious courtesies.''

In New York, where the monumental task of identifying the remains of 2,823 victims believed to be dead continues, no remains have been linked to the 10 hijackers who crashed two airliners into the World Trade Center. About half the victims' families still are waiting for their loved ones to be identified, though it's likely many never will be because so much of the site was incinerated. In contrast, the remains of all 40 victims in the Pennsylvania crash and all but five of the 184 victims at the Pentagon site were identified months ago.

Little attention has been paid to the terrorists' remains found mingled with those of the victims. ``It's a unique situation,'' said Dr. Jerry Spencer, a former chief medical examiner for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, who worked 30 years as a Navy forensic pathologist. ``The terrorists are usually not in our possession in the United States like this. The other issue is, will the families want them back?''

Four sets of remains in Pennsylvania and five at the Pentagon were grouped together as the hijackers _ but not identified by name _ through a process of elimination.

Families of the airplanes' passengers and crews and those who died within the Pentagon provided DNA samples, typically on toothbrushes or hairbrushes, to aid with identification. The remains that didn't match any of those samples were ruled to be the terrorists, said Chris Kelly, spokesman for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, which did the DNA work. The nine sets of remains matched the number of hijackers believed to be on the two planes. Without reference samples from the hijackers' personal effects or from their immediate families to compare with the recovered DNA, the remains could not be matched to an individual. With the one-year anniversary approaching, State Department officials said Friday they had received no requests for the remains. The department would be responsible for handling such a request from any government seeking the return of a citizen's body.

Officials have said that all but one of the nine hijackers recovered had connections to Saudi Arabia. The other was Lebanese. Officials at the Saudi Embassy in Washington did not respond to requests for comment.

In more typical cases, foreign families also could contact local authorities. But the hijackers' remains are under the control of the FBI. ``To the best of my knowledge, there haven't been any friends or family members to try to claim the remains of these people,'' said Jeff Killeen, spokesman for the FBI field office in Pittsburgh. ``They are in the custody of the FBI in Washington. They have not been released.'' In cases where badly damaged bodies cannot be identified, or when no one steps forward to claim a body, state or local laws usually dictate what will be done with them. ``If it's a mass disaster, and they can't identify the remains, they may put all of them in a mass grave or they may be cremated,'' said Michael Bell, vice president of the National Association of Medical Examiners and the deputy chief examiner for Broward County, Fla.

Authorities usually retain only small DNA samples, photographs or other pertinent information that might lead to identification later or become evidence in a criminal case. A group memorial service is planned for Arlington National Cemetery on Sept. 12, when all the remains from the Pentagon that could not be matched with a particular victim will be buried, said Maj. Sandy Troeber, a spokeswoman. The remains linked to terrorists were taken by the FBI in February, she said.

James Starrs, a professor of forensic science and law at George Washington University, said there should be public oversight of what the government does with human remains, whether they are criminals or victims.

Policies must take into account that there are cases where relatives don't seek repatriation of remains, including many examples of Americans killed on overseas battlefields, noted Starrs, who is known for his forensic work in historical cases, such as the outlaw Jesse James and the mystery of the Boston Strangler. ``Good persons or bad persons, you can't assume that the relatives are going to come to the fore and try to reclaim their remains,'' Starr said.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: New York; US: Pennsylvania; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: attacks; hijackers; remains; wtc
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The public landfill would be an appropriate resting place.
1 posted on 08/16/2002 1:26:22 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
Turn them into sausage. A 50/50 mix. Do it on TV. Send the results to Saudi.
2 posted on 08/16/2002 1:28:36 PM PDT by Technocrat
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To: NYer
N.C. PIG FARMS!
3 posted on 08/16/2002 1:28:44 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: NYer
Feed 'em to pigs.
4 posted on 08/16/2002 1:31:59 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: SouthernFreebird
Thats what I was thinking, pig food. Pigs will eat anything.
5 posted on 08/16/2002 1:33:58 PM PDT by Ditter
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Turn them into sausage. A 50/50 mix. Do it on TV. Send the results to Saudi.

Or Gitmo.

6 posted on 08/16/2002 1:35:21 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: NYer
Flush `em down the toilet.
7 posted on 08/16/2002 1:38:30 PM PDT by hchutch
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I was thinking of live public TV mixing their remains with hog manure plus setting up a privacy screen where any of the victims families can come & relieve themselves on the remains as well. Entomb it in about 4 feet of concrete then so that none of the terrorist' fanatical families can undo the desecration.

Of course it they want they can package up some of the slop & send it over to the middle east as well.
8 posted on 08/16/2002 1:39:32 PM PDT by Sword_of_Gideon
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Take the remains to the appropriate location at each of the crash sites. Conduct the appropriate ceremony for such remains, allowing family members of the murdered americans a private moment alone for closure. After the ceremony, please remember to flush twice, because it is a long ways to Saudi Arabia.

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9 posted on 08/16/2002 1:41:15 PM PDT by P7M13
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Cremate the remains and insert them into the warhead section of the first bomb dropped in Gulf War II!
10 posted on 08/16/2002 1:41:59 PM PDT by quark
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A good part of the world believes we are lying about the idenity of the hijackers and so I would offer to DNA matching with family members who may want to claim the remains. The stipulation is that they must come here to claim the remains and do it publically. I want the world to see who did this to us.
11 posted on 08/16/2002 1:48:42 PM PDT by BlessedAmerican
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The exact opposite of what their beliefs say is appropriate. something like have all the women of NYC pee on the remains before lining a pig pen with them.
No matter how these remains are defiled I want a copy of the video.
12 posted on 08/16/2002 1:52:17 PM PDT by Spruce
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I don't know what they should do with them. I know many things I would like to say should be done with them but I cannot say them because I know in my heart it would not be right. However, they should be disposed of with no ceremony religious or otherwise...Just get rid of them but I would make darn sure it was not on our soil...I want them out of our country anyway they can make it happen!!! Perhaps the bleeding heart liberals who blame America for the attacks would like to have the ashes on their fireplaces!
13 posted on 08/16/2002 1:58:16 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: BlessedAmerican
As much as I like the "pig" solutions, your idea is the best!
14 posted on 08/16/2002 1:59:35 PM PDT by M. T. Cicero II
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To: quark
Now there's the best idea I have read so far! Good thinking and very appropriate I must say. That way we can truly see that they are RETURNED back to that part of the world and we know they will arrive where they are supposed to'cause we've got the best damned pilots in the whole wide world.
15 posted on 08/16/2002 2:01:36 PM PDT by cubreporter
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Dump them in the Jewish community which voted for Hillary so Bill would pardon some of their crooks to help her get elected.
16 posted on 08/16/2002 2:04:23 PM PDT by Enterprise
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Families of the airplanes' passengers and crews and those who died within the Pentagon provided DNA samples, typically on toothbrushes or hairbrushes, to aid with identification. The remains that didn't match any of those samples were ruled to be the terrorists,

This looks like to much assuming, It would really bother me, if we desecrated somones remains, and it wasn't the terrorists. Before anything, make sure the DNA smaples match, don't just start pissing on an americans remains because no one is sure who it is.

17 posted on 08/16/2002 2:06:35 PM PDT by Sonny M
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My approach would be to 'plasticize' (the new process of preserving cadavers and parts thereof for display and student use) the remains, then exhibit them in the Smithsonian in whatever gallery is eventually devoted to 9/11.
18 posted on 08/16/2002 2:12:14 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: NYer
Wrap the body parts in pig skin and then dump them in a landfill.
19 posted on 08/16/2002 2:19:04 PM PDT by Deguello
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To: BlessedAmerican
A good part of the world believes we are lying about the idenity of the hijackers and so I would offer to DNA matching with family members who may want to claim the remains.

A well reasoned solution. Whatever is not claimed can be added to a warhead.

20 posted on 08/16/2002 2:23:14 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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