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Skulls Found in Africa and in Europe Challenge Theories of Human Origins
NY Times ^ | August 6, 2002 | By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD

Posted on 08/11/2002 3:59:04 PM PDT by vannrox



August 6, 2002

Skulls Found in Africa and in Europe Challenge Theories of Human Origins

By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD

Two ancient skulls, one from central Africa and the other from the Black Sea republic of Georgia, have shaken the human family tree to its roots, sending scientists scrambling to see if their favorite theories are among the fallen fruit.

Probably so, according to paleontologists, who may have to make major revisions in the human genealogy and rethink some of their ideas about the first migrations out of Africa by human relatives.

Yet, despite all the confusion and uncertainty the skulls have caused, scientists speak in superlatives of their potential for revealing crucial insights in the evidence-disadvantaged field of human evolution.

The African skull dates from nearly 7 million years ago, close to the fateful moment when the human and chimpanzee lineages went their separate ways. The 1.75-million-year-old Georgian skull could answer questions about the first human ancestors to leave Africa, and why they ventured forth.

Still, it was a shock, something of a one-two punch, for two such momentous discoveries to be reported independently in a single week, as happened in July.

"I can't think of another month in the history of paleontology in which two such finds of importance were published," said Dr. Bernard Wood, a paleontologist at George Washington University. "This really exposes how little we know of human evolution and the origin of our own genus Homo."

Every decade or two, a fossil discovery upsets conventional wisdom. One more possible "missing link" emerges. An even older member of the hominid group, those human ancestors and their close relatives (but not apes), comes to light. Some fossils also show up with attributes so puzzling that scientists cannot decide where they belong, if at all, in the human lineage.

At each turn, the family tree, once drawn straight as a ponderosa pine, has had to be reconfigured with more branches leading here and there and, in some cases, apparently nowhere.

"When I went to medical school in 1963, human evolution looked like a ladder," Dr. Wood said. The ladder, he explained, stepped from monkey to modern human through a progression of intermediates, each slightly less apelike than the previous one.

But the fact that modern Homo sapiens is the only hominid living today is quite misleading, an exception to the rule dating only since the demise of Neanderthals some 30,000 years ago. Fossil hunters keep finding multiple species of hominids that overlapped in time, reflecting evolutionary diversity in response to new or changed circumstances. Not all of them could be direct ancestors of Homo sapiens. Some presumably were dead-end side branches.

So a tangled bush has now replaced a tree as the ascendant imagery of human evolution. Most scientists studying the newfound African skull think it lends strong support to hominid bushiness almost from the beginning.

That is one of several reasons Dr. Daniel E. Lieberman, a biological anthropologist at Harvard, called the African specimen "one of the greatest paleontological discoveries of the past 100 years."

The skull was uncovered in the desert of Chad by a French-led team under the direction of Dr. Michel Brunet of the University of Poitiers. Struck by the skull's unusual mix of apelike and evolved hominid features, the discoverers assigned it to an entirely new genus and species — Sahelanthropus tchadensis. It is more commonly called Toumai, meaning "hope of life" in the local language.

In announcing the discovery in the July 11 issue of the journal Nature, Dr. Brunet's group said the fossils — a cranium, two lower jaw fragments and several teeth — promised "to illuminate the earliest chapter in human evolutionary history."

The age, face and geography of the new specimen were all surprises.

About a million years older than any previously recognized hominid, Toumai lived close to the time that molecular biologists think was the earliest period in which the human lineage diverged from the chimpanzee branch. The next oldest hominid appears to be the 6-million-year-old Orrorin tugenensis, found two years ago in Kenya but not yet fully accepted by many scientists. After it is Ardipithecus ramidus, which probably lived 4.4 million to 5.8 million years ago in Ethiopia.

"A lot of interesting things were happening earlier than we previously knew," said Dr. Eric Delson, a paleontologist at the City University of New York and the American Museum of Natural History.

The most puzzling aspect of the new skull is that it seems to belong to two widely separated evolutionary periods. Its size indicates that Toumai had a brain comparable to that of a modern chimp, about 320 to 380 cubic centimeters. Yet the face is short and relatively flat, compared with the protruding faces of chimps and other early hominids. Indeed, it is more humanlike than the "Lucy" species, Australopithecus afarensis, which lived more than 3.2 million years ago.

"A hominid of this age," Dr. Wood wrote in Nature, "should certainly not have the face of a hominid less than one-third of its geological age."

Scientists suggest several possible explanations. Toumai could somehow be an ancestor of modern humans, or of gorillas or chimps. It could be a common ancestor of humans and chimps, before the divergence.

"But why restrict yourself to thinking this fossil has to belong to a lineage that leads to something modern?" Dr. Wood asked. "It's perfectly possible this belongs to a branch that's neither chimp nor human, but has become extinct."

Dr. Wood said the "lesson of history" is that fossil hunters are more likely to find something unrelated directly to living creatures — more side branches to tangle the evolutionary bush. So the picture of human genealogy gets more complex, not simpler.

A few scientists sound cautionary notes. Dr. Delson questioned whether the Toumai face was complete enough to justify interpretations of more highly evolved characteristics. One critic argued that the skull belonged to a gorilla, but that is disputed by scientists who have examined it.

Just as important perhaps is the fact that the Chad skull was found off the beaten path of hominid research. Until now, nearly every early hominid fossil has come from eastern Africa, mainly Ethiopia, Kenya and Tanzania, or from southern Africa. Finding something very old and different in central Africa should expand the hunt.

"In hindsight, we should have expected this," Dr. Lieberman said. "Africa is big and we weren't looking at all of Africa. This fossil is a wake-up call. It reminds us that we're missing large portions of the fossil record."

Although overshadowed by the news of Toumai, the well-preserved 1.75-million-year-old skull from Georgia was also full of surprises, in this case concerning a later chapter in the hominid story. It raised questions about the identity of the first hominids to be intercontinental travelers, who set in motion the migrations that would eventually lead to human occupation of the entire planet.

The discovery, reported in the July 5 issue of the journal Science, was made at the medieval town Dmanisi, 50 miles southwest of Tbilisi, the Georgian capital. Two years ago, scientists announced finding two other skulls at the same site, but the new one appears to be intriguingly different and a challenge to prevailing views.

Scientists have long been thought that the first hominid out-of-Africa migrants were Homo erectus, a species with large brains and a stature approaching human dimensions. The species was widely assumed to have stepped out in the world once they evolved their greater intelligence and longer legs and invented more advanced stone tools.

The first two Dmanisi skulls confirmed one part of the hypothesis. They bore a striking resemblance to the African version of H. erectus, sometimes called Homo ergaster. Their discovery was hailed as the most ancient undisputed hominid fossils outside Africa.

But the skulls were associated with more than 1,000 crudely chipped cobbles, simple choppers and scrapers, not the more finely shaped and versatile tools that would be introduced by H. erectus more than 100,000 years later. That undercut the accepted evolutionary explanation for the migrations.

The issue has become even more muddled with the discovery of the third skull by international paleontologists led by Dr. David Lordkipanidze of the Georgian State Museum in Tbilisi. It is about the same age and bears an overall resemblance to the other two skulls. But it is much smaller.

"These hominids are more primitive than we thought," Dr. Lordkipanidze said in an article in the current issue of National Geographic magazine. "We have a new puzzle."

To the discoverers, the skull has the canine teeth and face of Homo habilis, a small hominid with long apelike arms that evolved in Africa before H. erectus. And the size of its cranium suggests a substantially smaller brain than expected for H. erectus.

In their journal report, the discovery team estimated the cranial capacity of the new skull to be about 600 cubic centimeters, compared with about 780 and 650 c.c.'s for the other Dmanisis specimens. That is "near the mean" for H. habilis, they noted. Modern human braincases are about 1,400 cubic centimeters.

Dr. G. Philip Rightmire, a paleontologist at the State University of New York at Binghamton and a member of the discovery team, said that if the new skull had been found before the other two, it might have been identified as H. habilis.

Dr. Ian Tattersall, a specialist in human evolution at the natural history museum in New York City, said the specimen was "the first truly African-looking thing to come from outside Africa." More than anything else, he said, it resembles a 1.9-million-year-old Homo habilis skull from Kenya.

For the time being, however, the fossil is tentatively labeled Homo erectus, though it stretches the definition of that species. Scientists are pondering what lessons they can learn from it about the diversity of physical attributes within a single species.

Dr. Fred Smith, a paleontologist who has just become dean of arts and sciences at Loyola University in Chicago, agreed that his was a sensible approach, at least until more fossils turn up. Like other scientists, he doubted that two separate hominid species would have occupied the same habitat at roughly the same time. Marked variations within a species are not uncommon; brain size varies within living humans by abut 15 percent.

"The possibility of variations within a species should never be excluded," Dr. Smith said. "There's a tendency now for everybody to see three bumps on a fossil instead of two and immediately declare that to be another species."

Some discoverers of the Dmanisi skull speculated that these hominids might be descended from ancestors like H. habilis that had already left Africa. In that case, it could be argued that H. erectus itself evolved not in Africa but elsewhere from an ex-African species. If so, the early Homo genealogy would have to be drastically revised.

But it takes more than two or even three specimens to reach firm conclusions about the range of variations within a species. Still, Georgia is a good place to start. The three specimens found there represent the largest collection of individuals from any single site older than around 800,000 years.

"We have now a very rich collection, of three skulls and three jawbones, which gives us a chance to study very properly this question" of how to classify early hominids, Dr. Lordkipanidze said, and paleontologists are busy this summer looking for more skulls at Dmanisi.

"We badly want to know what the functional abilities of the first out-of-Africa migrants were," said Dr. Wood of George Washington University. "What could that animal do that animals that preceded it couldn't? What was the role of culture in this migration? Maybe other animals were leaving and the hominids simply followed."

All scholars of human prehistory eagerly await the next finds from Dmanisi, and in Chad. Perhaps they will help untangle some of the bushy branches of the human family tree to reveal the true ancestry of Homo sapiens.




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101 posted on 08/12/2002 4:27:33 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: Starbreed
Piltdown_woman has listed the some of the multiple was in which artifacts are dated - generally speaking, they all tend to agree on the dating of artifacts, despite the variety of isotopes measured. In addition, verification of dating for events near us in time allows calibration for earlier events - dating can be confirmed by historical records of known events, tree-ring data for events within a certain range, et cetera.

What should we presume, if we calibrate radioisotope measurements by dating items of a known age, and then find that a half-dozen different measurements all generally agree on the age of some ancient artifact? What would lead you to believe that we shoulf presume those measurements are in error?

102 posted on 08/12/2002 5:00:27 AM PDT by general_re
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To: medved
the evolutionists are looking at the wrong end of the "lineup" or whatever you want to call it of hominid and human types. The problem is at the near end and not the far end.

Recent studies of neanderthal DNA turned up the result that neanderthal DNA is "about halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee", and that there is no way we could interbreed with them or be descended from them via any process resembling evolution.

That says that anybody wishing to believe that modern man evolved has to come up with some closer hominid, i.e. a plausible ancestor for modern man, and that the closer hominid would stand closer to us in both time and morphology than the neanderthal, and that his works and remains should be very easy to find, since neanderthal remains and works are all over the map. Of course, no such closer hominid exists; all other hominids are much further from us than the neanderthal.

I thought that part deserved repeating.

103 posted on 08/12/2002 5:05:44 AM PDT by Ahban
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To: Aric2000
I love logic

One would not guess it from reading your #69 to me. How on Earth does the Bible containing a PARADOX prove that the Bible was not inspired by God?

You do know that a paradox is an APPARENT contradiction, and not an actual one, right?

104 posted on 08/12/2002 5:11:22 AM PDT by Ahban
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To: LiteKeeper
Will you acknowledge, however, that there is a tremendous amount of disagreement from one dating method to another?

Do you have some particular case in mind? I think you'll probably find that various methods generally tend to fall within the error ranges of each other.

And that all dating methods are based on certain presuppositions - most of which have no true means of calibrating.

Such as? Isochron dating was developed primarily to avoid the sorts of presuppositions that are commonly objected to...

105 posted on 08/12/2002 5:12:57 AM PDT by general_re
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To: Piltdown_Woman
In addition, researchers may use fission track dating, relative time scales, dendrochronology, thermoluminescence, electron-spin resonance, and varve analyses to support and confirm radiometric dating.

Indeed - additionally, very interesting work has been done recently with the atom-trap trace analysis technique at Argonne. Very clever method from some clever people ;)

106 posted on 08/12/2002 5:18:19 AM PDT by general_re
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To: vannrox
Why are these scientists so committed to the idea that all of Homo originated in Africa? Didn't Carleton Coone advance the theory years ago that the races developed separately in different parts of the world, and don't discoveries like these ones tend to support a theory of that kind?
107 posted on 08/12/2002 5:23:53 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: vannrox
This can't be right. If it challenged the Most Holy Theory of Evolution, then evolutionists everywhere would be scrambling to cover it up, pretending that it was never found. That must be the case because Creationists (praise be unto them) say that evolutionists do this and they wouldn't lie, would they?
108 posted on 08/12/2002 5:24:03 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Ahban
A paradox can also refer to a self-contradictory statement (such as "Everything that I say is a lie"). In those cases it is impossible for the statement to be true.
109 posted on 08/12/2002 5:34:36 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: medved
I can tell you what "these fossils" are NOT

Hmmm. I specifically requested what you tell us what you think are. Unexplainedly, you spent your entire reply debunking something. You spent zero effort explaining what they are. Why?

110 posted on 08/12/2002 5:54:17 AM PDT by laredo44
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To: PatrickHenry
There's something wonderfully comical about being called a crackpot by a perv... by somebody who has such a glaring problem with "glass house syndrome" or whatever you care to call it.

Those who find "PatrickHenry"'s infantile attempts at humer via links funny will be rolling on the floor over this one:

Unbridled lust leads to frustration and misunderstanding despite Jimmy Carter's advice to the lustlorn

Highlights include:

You were groping me on the thread. I warned you, you groped on, I pushed the abuse button. Very simple. You then went whining to all your friends and relations. I received about 4 emails from different people: "What happened?" "What did you DO?" "Who are you? Are you impersonating someone?" and other silly tinfoil stuff.

Why would you grope me? Because I had told you in a freepmail as to not embarrass you for comments which indicated your confusion that I was a woman. Do you deny that you received such a freepmail from me? Do you deny that you used it against me on the thread?

Whiners receive lots of attention and scrutiny. If other threads of yours were pulled, my guess is you were harassing someone else.

Then again, there're the FR threads on Who is PatrickHenry...

Granted the clowns who form the inside clique on talk.origins (bandarlog) appear to have it in for me, I don't really view that as a BAD thing; Serious scholars view talk.origins as a philosophical disaster zone of sorts.

The reasons for the bandarlog having it in for yours truly should also be obvious enough...

For the lowdown on Chuck Darwin, stupidest white man of all time and his BS theory, and on the continuing efforts of feebs like Steve Gould and Niles Eldredge to keep the charade going for another generation:



111 posted on 08/12/2002 5:54:41 AM PDT by medved
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To: Dimensio
placemarker.
112 posted on 08/12/2002 5:59:39 AM PDT by Junior
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To: billybudd
How does what you say contradict Darwin's theory, or evolutionary theory in general? Whether organisms were "intelligently" designed or not, the fact is that life went through a process of evolution to get to where it is today.

Perhaps you do not understand evolution. Darwin (and evolutionary theory) is 'descent with modification'. This modification is suppossed to arise through 'natural selection'. Intelligent design, that species were specifically designed contradicts that.

The "complexity" and "interrelatedness" of life is precisely the result of evolutionary forces. Now, we can argue about the cause of those forces.

No it is not. The reason is that you cannot change a tightly integrated organism at random. The reason is that not only do you have to magically create a new function at random, but you also have to 'connect' the new function to the rest of the organism. In addition, there is a very strong bias in genetics against the dissemination of new functions. Science has shown us that the chance of a mutation being passed on is 50% at each generation. This makes dissemination of even favorable mutations almost impossible and the gradual alteration of functions through successive small mutations ridiculous. In addition DNA shows us that it is utterly impossible to create new genes, new functions by random chance. If all that was not enough, the genes are controlled and regulated by other parts of the organism making random change utterly impossible.

In short, science has shown that the creation of new genetic functions, information, DNA cannot occur through random evolutionary means.

113 posted on 08/12/2002 6:00:43 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: vannrox
There is an old saying that paleontologists should keep in mind:
Be careful when you're dating those monkeys.
114 posted on 08/12/2002 6:05:09 AM PDT by Woodkirk
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To: exDemMom
Have you ever studied science?

Yup. Have you? If so, tell me of one single major discovery in biology which has verified the theory of evolution. Mendellian genetics, DNA, and the complexity of the organism shown by the genome project show evolution to be impossible.

115 posted on 08/12/2002 6:05:17 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: medved
Recent studies of neanderthal DNA turned up the result that neanderthal DNA is "about halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee", and that there is no way we could interbreed with them or be descended from them via any process resembling evolution.

Since chimps and humans have more than 98% identical DNA, that would mean neanderthals and humans share more than 99%. That would seem to knock out your third possibility that humans were imported from elsewhere in the cosmos. I can't see how an organism from another planet could have nearly identical DNA to organisms here.

More importantly, what, then, are neanderthals? Unaccounted for in the Bible, they share much with us. How do creationists deal with the reality of neanderthal?

116 posted on 08/12/2002 6:06:02 AM PDT by laredo44
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To: laredo44
Since chimps and humans have more than 98% identical DNA, that would mean neanderthals and humans share more than 99%. That would seem to knock out your third possibility that humans were imported from elsewhere in the cosmos. I can't see how an organism from another planet could have nearly identical DNA to organisms here.

More importantly, what, then, are neanderthals? Unaccounted for in the Bible, they share much with us. How do creationists deal with the reality of neanderthal?

I said there were three possibilities: my own choice for most likely would be the possibility of modern man having been genetically re-engineered from the neanderthal. That's possible; the idea of our being descended from the neanderthal via evolution or anything like it is not.

One possible interpretation of the story of Adam and Eve would be that the idea of first people meant first such as us, i.e. first moderns as opposed to hominids.

Neanderthals used to be drawn as monsters more or less. Modern reconstructions show them to be different from us, but not frighteningly so, and not the ape-man or missing-link darwinists used to view them as.

Neanderthals are supposed to have died out 50,000 years ago; another one of these standard time frames based upon projecting present conditions and processes into the distant past.


The best reconstructions of neanderthals I've seen are those of Jay Matternes', which appeared in the Oct. 81 issue of "Science". Scientists had known for some time that the standard reconstructions were based entirely on early, arthritic skeletons, but nobody had really done a serious job of reconstructing an image of these people from more recent evidence.

First time I saw Matternes' drawings, I thought "Gee, I've seen that guy somewhere or other before..."

Sir Mortimer Wheeler "Civilizations of the Indus Valley and Beyond notes that the physical type noted, which he calls a "priest/king type" appears in statues along with other images more easily recognizable as modern people, and assumes that the type shown is non-representational art.

Somebody may have forgotten to tell the artists and sculptors of Harappa and Mohenjo Daro (about 1500 BC) about the 50,000 year thing...

Again, despite looking much like us, neanderthals were vastly different genetically. Their DNA has been described as "about halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee", cleanly eliminating them as a plausible ancestor for modern man.

117 posted on 08/12/2002 6:33:50 AM PDT by medved
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To: medved
I said there were three possibilities: my own choice for most likely would be the possibility of modern man having been genetically re-engineered from the neanderthal. That's possible; the idea of our being descended from the neanderthal via evolution or anything like it is not.

I'm unsure as to what you're getting at. Are you saying you think the most likely explanation of how humans came into existence is that we were genetically altered from neanderthals.

The reason for my confusion is that wouldn't seem to fit with your earlier post about how evolution is so probabalistically small as to be rationally unbelievable. So what would be the source of neanderthals? Genetically altered chimps?

118 posted on 08/12/2002 6:51:42 AM PDT by laredo44
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To: laredo44
So what would be the source of neanderthals? Genetically altered chimps?

It's turtles alien tinkering all the way down.

119 posted on 08/12/2002 7:10:54 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: laredo44
I'm unsure as to what you're getting at. Are you saying you think the most likely explanation of how humans came into existence is that we were genetically altered from neanderthals.

That's my best guess; I wasn't there.

Another thing feeding into that calculation is the evidence that the changeovers from homo erectus to neanderthal and from neanderthal to modern man did not consume anything like the time spans commonly supposed.

Gunnar Heinsohn of the University of Bremen notes:

Mueller-Karpe, the first name in continental paleoanthropology, wrote thirty years ago on the two strata of homo erectus at Swanscombe/England: "A difference between the tools in the upper and in the lower stratum is not recognizable. (From a geological point of view it is uncertain if between the two strata there passed decades, centuries or millennia.)" (Handbuch der Vorgeschichte, Vol I, Munich 1966, p. 293).

The outstanding scholar never returned to this hint that in reality there may have passed ten years where the textbooks enlist one thousand years. Yet, I tried to follow this thread. I went to the stratigraphies of the Old Stone Age which usually look as follows

modern man (homo sapiens sapiens)

Neanderthal man (homo sapiens neanderthalensis)

Homo erectus (invents fire and is considered the first intelligent man).

In my book "Wie alt ist das Menschengeschlecht?" [How Ancient is Man?], 1996, 2nd edition, I focused for Neanderthal man on his best preserved stratigraphy: Combe Grenal in France. Within 4 m of debris it exhibited 55 strata dated conventionally between -90,000 and -30,000. Roughly one millennium was thus assigned to some 7 cm of debris per stratum. Close scrutiny had revealed that most strata were only used in the summer. Thus, ca. one thousand summers were assigned to each stratum. If, however, the site lay idle in winter and spring one would have expected substratification. Ideally, one would look for one thousand substrata for the one thousand summers. Yet, not even two substrata were discovered in any of the strata. They themselves were the substrata in the 4 m stratigraphy. They, thus, were not good for 60,000 but only for 55 years.

I tested this assumption with the tool count. According to the Binfords' research--done on North American Indians--each tibal adult has at least five tool kits with some eight tools in each of them. At every time 800 tools existed in a band of 20 adults. Assuming that each tool lasted an entire generation (15 female years), Combe Grenals 4,000 generations in 60,000 years should have produced some 3.2 million tools. By going closer to the actual life time of flint tools tens of millions of tools would have to be expected for Combe Grenal. Ony 19,000 (nineteen thousand) remains of tools, however, were found by the excavators.

There seems to be no way out but to cut down the age of Neanderthal man at Combe Grenal from some 60,000 to some 60 years.

I applied the stratigraphical approach to the best caves in Europe for the entire time from Erectus to the Iron Age and reached at the following tentative chronology for intelligent man:

-600 onwards Iron Age
-900 onwards Bronze Age
-1400 beginning of modern man (homo sapiens sapiens)
-1500 beginning of Neanderthal man
between -2000 and -1600 beginning of Erectus.

Since Erectus only left the two poor strata like at Swanscombe or El-Castillo/Spain, he should actually not have lasted longer than Neanderthal-may be one average life expectancy. I will now not go into the mechanism of mutation. All I want to remind you of is the undisputed sequence of interstratification and monostratification in the master stratigraphies. This allows for one solution only: Parents of the former developmental stage of man lived together with their own offspring in the same cave stratum until they died out. They were not massacred as textbooks have it:

monostrat.: only modern man's tools

interstrat.: Neanderthal man's and modern man's tools side by side

monostrat.: only Neanderthal man's tools

interstrat.: Neanderthal man's and Erectus' tools side by side

monotstrat.: only Erectus tools (deepest stratum for intelligent man)

The year figures certainly sound bewildering. Yet, so far nobody came up with any stratigraphy justifiably demanding more time than I tentatively assigned to the age of intelligent man. I always remind my critiques that one millennium is an enormous time span--more than from William the Conqueror to today's Anglo-World. To add a millenium to human history should always go together with sufficient material remains to show for it. I will not even mention the easiness with which scholars add a million years to the history of man until they made Lucy 4 million years old. The time-span-madness is the last residue of Darwinism. This "most misleading Englishman" (Velikovsky) needed millions of years to let invisibly small alterations do the big visible changes. It is quite funny to observe catastrophism combined with darwinizing time spans. Yet, I see it all over neo-Catastrophism.

120 posted on 08/12/2002 7:13:34 AM PDT by medved
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