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What is Going On in CALIFORNIA? - The Organizational Roots of the "Separation of Church and State".
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Posted on 06/27/2002 8:13:15 AM PDT by vannrox

What is Going On in CALIFORNIA?


The Organizational Roots of the "Separation of Church and State".



A BlueBay Investigational Report.
By VannRox 27 June 2002
Posted 27 June 2002 to Free Republic for Commentary and discussion.

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This report concerns the Wednesday June, 26 decision by the activist [reversed 19 out of 20 cases in the latest US Supreme Court session] and politically dominantly Socialist Ninth Circuit Court Of Appeals, declaring the Pledge of Allegiance to be unconstitutional. This ruling has surprised and enraged many. Others, better versed in the ability to communicate and reason, are now presenting their appeals for reversal of the courts decision and the reasons and logic behind it.

I will not delve into this area of thought. Rather I wish to concentrate on the environment that created this situation where every American recites the term "Separation of Church and State" without realizing that this term is a fabricration and does not exist in our Constitution.

I wish to investigate the forces and the effort behind the push to eliminate the spiritual and religious attributes from our History; our past; our lives; our laws; our schools and our society. make no mistake, this effort did not happen as an effect of the normal course of events. It is a driven result, planned and strategied by a group of people determined to this end.

My investigations, while in no way complete and comprehensive, can prove and show how these waves of effort have used the tools of liberty to erode the pillars of our society.



SOME FACTS:



The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned a 1954 act of Congress. Where the phrase "under God" was inserted after the words "one nation" in the pledge of Allegance.

The court said the phrase violates the so-called Establishment Clause in the Constitution that requires a "...separation of church and state..."

The actual wording of the "Establishment Clause" is "...Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Judge Alfred T. Goodwin wrote for the three-judge panel that "...A profession that we are a nation 'under God' is identical, for Establishment Clause purposes, to a profession that we are a nation 'under Jesus,' a nation 'under Vishnu,' a nation 'under Zeus,' or a nation 'under no god,' because none of these professions can be neutral with respect to religion..." .

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is "out of Step" with the Country Population as a whole, and is considered to be Liberal / Socialist in their interpertation of the law. In fact, Laurence Tribe possibly the most liberal lawyer in America stated, at a Senate committee hearing in December, that "international embarrassment" that could befall the country if "some rather liberal judge out in the 9th Circuit" were to involve that court in prosecuting terrorists.."

In an article by Insight Magazine, they stated that "...No one can dispute that the 9th Circuit is the largest in the country. What is contested, however, is just how much of a "rogue court" it is, if at all. Conservatives long have charged that its reversal rates by the Supreme Court are disproportionately higher than the other appeals courts. "Twenty percent of the American population lives in the circuit in which the rule of law is regularly being challenged by the issuance of activist opinions by ideologically driven federal judges," says Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.)..." in addition, they also concluded that "...According to dozens of legal scholars and former judicial clerks, the 9th Circuit has more than earned its reputation as a "runaway court." It has by far the highest overrule record since the federal judiciary was expanded in 1978. In one year, the 1996-1997 session, the Supreme Court reversed 27 of the 28 cases it considered from the 9th Circuit. This number is all the more arresting upon further examination, say both conservative and liberal legal analysts, because 17 of the cases were overturned by unanimous decisions. "When the Supreme Court overrules you unanimously, they are sending a message," says Arthur Hellman, a law professor at the University of Pittsburgh. Given that today's Rehnquist court generally is considered moderate to conservative ? including liberal jurists such as Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsburg ? these unanimous reversals are most revealing about the 9th Circuit's distemper and disrespect for the Supreme Court..."



Other decisions by this "activist" judicial college include such rulings as (the elitist belief) that the overwhelming voter-approved Three-Strikes rule be judged unconstitutional. The Legalization of Medical Marijuana, the free reign of Search and Seizure by the Federal and State Government, Gay rights, and other Liberal causes and efforts.

Efforts to control and reign in the court to be more in line with the Supreme Court decision process and more accountable to the Constitution has resulted in the need to review the size of the Court to more adequately reflect the region of its authority. To this end an on going effort has been launched by Congress to divide the court into two or more separate entities.

The Senate debated this issue excessively. Democrats almost uniformly and along partisan lines opposed this. The Democrats in the Senate felt that "...the large number of reversals by citing the sheer number of cases that the 9th Circuit considers, but it is the rate of reversal that is remarkable. Others suggest that the West Coast has more "aggressive and creative lawyering," with legal eagles testing untried and unorthodox arguments while the rest of the nation just watches, astonished..."

Conservatives argued that "...Tom Jipping of the Free Congress Foundation explains that of the 26 active judges on the bench in the 9th Circuit, 14 were appointed by Bill Clinton and three by Jimmy Carter. In fact, since the court was expanded in 1978 from 13 to 23 judges, it always has been dominated by Democratic appointees.

For a time in the early eighties, Carter had appointed 15 of the 23 judges, many of whom were very liberal even by Carter standards, says Hellman, who has followed the court for more than 20 years. "That high concentration of fresh judges in the late seventies created a dynamic unique in the federal judiciary," Hellman tells Insight. Many of the new judges were reacting against the perceived conservative tilt of their older colleagues, and "as a group they created quite a blitz," Hellman continues. The result was that in the 1982-83 term, the 9th Circuit had 26 cases reviewed by the Supreme Court, 25 of which were reversed.

...".

The large number of reversals by the Supreme Court is indicative of the political and philosphical leanings of the 9th Circuit is out of step with the Supreme Court and it's lower courts. In a heated Senate debate in 2000 about splitting the district, Sessions looked at the three-year span from 1996-1999 when the 9th Circuit was reversed on 54 of the 63 cases examined by the Supreme Court ? a reversal rate of 86 percent. The next-highest totals belonged to the 8th Circuit, which had 24 cases reviewed and 14 reversals. The 1999-2000 term saw a slight tapering off, with the Supreme Court reviewing 11 of the 9th Circuit cases and reversing eight of them. But that number was higher than any other circuit that year. In the most recent year for which figures are available, the 2000-2001 session, the Supreme Court considered 15 cases from the 9th Circuit, 11 of which it reversed.

Insight magazine stated in their March 2002 issue that "...While there are several methods for bringing a rogue circuit to heel, none appear very effective at present, which worries Senate Republicans. With only two vacancies, President George W. Bush can't expect to tip the balance of the 28-seat court by appointing a few conservative jurists. One long-discussed option would be to split the circuit into smaller and more manageable units, something "that ain't going to happen as long as the Dems control the Senate," according to a senior Republican aide.

...".

The cause of this situation is the nomination of activist liberal Judges by a Democrat sponsored effort. This is well known to all. Indeed Hans Nichols writes "..."It used to be that the political battles occurred at the Supreme Court level," says one court watcher, "but now that's shifting, especially with Democrats in control of the Senate." Since Bush's election, Senate Republicans have noticed that Democrats are upping the ante on lower-court judges. Witness the bloody fight over Charles Pickering, a nominee for the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, who at press time still hadn't received a vote in the Senate Judiciary Committee (see Fair Comment, March 11).

If the Pickering battle is about drawing lines in the sand and establishing the tone for the Senate's role in advice and consent on presidential judicial nominees, then the nomination process indeed will be messy and protracted, say Capitol Hill aides. With Senate Democrats spoiling for ideological slugfests about judges, the problem of the 9th Circuit probably isn't about to go into remission.

For those living under the 9th, the situation is a frustrating one. "We just want out," says a lawyer in Idaho's attorney general's office. "We don't care where. Just put us in another circuit."

...".


MY CONTENTION:



The effort that is driving this activist Judicial effort is not from the Judicial Bench. (As is assumed), and it is not from the Democrat Party (though they enable the effort), but is through a handful of radical leftist organizations. In particular, I would like to introduce the reader to, what I believe is the number one driver of this effort, the organization called AU Sacramento. You may visit this organizations Web site by clicking HERE.

Their web site states that:

"...Americans United For Separation of Church and State(AU) is a nonpartisan educational organization dedicated to preserving the constitutional principle of church-state separation as the only way to ensure religious freedom for all Americans. Americans United represents over 60,000 individual members and 5,000 churches and other houses of worship nationwide..."

I contend that the suit initally brought to the Judges was brought by a member of this organization. Further, when he lost the first ruling, he then appealed it to the 9th Circuit.

This is what they say about the ruling:

PUBLIC SCHOOLS CAN'T REQUIRE FLAG PLEDGE WITH 'UNDER GOD' IN IT, FEDERAL COURT RULES

Decision Respects Freedom Of Conscience,
Says AU's Lynn

Congress violated the constitutional separation of church and state when it passed a law adding the words "under God" to the Pledge to the Flag, and public school officials cannot pressure students to recite it, a federal appellate court has ruled.

The U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals held today that the 1954 congressional action incorporating religious language into the Pledge was an "impermissible endorsement of religion."

"A profession that we are a nation 'under God' is identical…to a profession that we are a nation 'under Jesus,' a nation 'under Vishnu,' a nation 'under Zeus,' or a nation 'under no god,' because none of these professions can be neutral with respect of religion," observed the court.

Added the court, "The coercive effect of this policy is particularly pronounced in the school setting given the age and impressionability of schoolchildren, and their understanding that they are required to adhere to the norms set by their school, their teacher and their fellow students."

The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said the court decision reflects an appropriate concern for the religious liberty rights of all Americans.

"This decision shows respect for freedom of conscience," said Lynn. "You can be a patriotic American regardless of your religious belief or lack of religion. Our government should never coerce school children -- or anyone else -- to make a profession of religious belief.

"America is an incredibly diverse country with some 2,000 different religions and denominations, as well as millions of Americans who profess no religion at all," continued Lynn. "Government actions should respect that diversity."

Lynn noted that the Pledge of Allegiance was originally secular. Written in 1892 by a Baptist minister, the Pledge was recited for several decades without any religious references.

"Today's ruling simply says that schools should return to the original Pledge," Lynn said. "There wasn't anything wrong with it before 1954. In fact, America survived the Great Depression and won two World Wars with a completely secular Pledge.

"Members of Congress made a mistake when they added religious language to the flag pledge," concluded Lynn. "It changed an appropriate patriotic exercise into a religious ritual in which many Americans cannot in good conscience participate."

The challenge to religious language in the pledge was brought by Michael A. Newdow, a California atheist who objected to the pledge recitation at his daughter's elementary school in the Elk Grove Unified School District.

Judge Alfred T. Goodwin, who wrote today's Newdow v. U.S. Congress decision, was appointed to the federal court by President Richard Nixon.

Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in Washington, D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization educates Americans about the importance of church-state separation in safeguarding religious freedom.

 

June 26, 2002

Contact:
Joseph Conn
Rob Boston

 



Other efforts by this organization include:

Vouchers Require Taxpayer Funding For Religious Indoctrination, Says AU
The Supreme Court heard oral arguments today in a case testing the constitutionality of Cleveland's private school voucher plan. AU, which helped bring the legal challenge to the program, has asked the high court to declare voucher aid to church schools a violation of church-state separation (posted 2/20/02).


Another effort includes:

Insidious Design
Disguising dogma as science, Religious Right activists are trying to wedge religion into public schools


AU's Legal Analysis Of Effect Of Adler v. Duval County School Board On Graduation Prayer
The Supreme Court recently declined to review a decision in which the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a Duval County School Board policy permitting the graduating senior class to decide whether to have a student deliver a two-minute "message" at graduation. AU's analysis discusses why school districts outside the 11th Circuit should be extremely wary about adopting policies like the one in Duval County (posted 1/2/02).


Ten Commandments Display In Alabama Judicial Building Violates Constitution
A Ten Commandments monument in the rotunda of the Alabama State Judicial Building violates the Constitution, according to a lawsuit filed in federal district court today by two civil liberties groups (posted 10/30/01).


Alabama Lawmaker Unveils Unconstitutional 'Ten Commandments Defense Act'
Rep. Robert B. Aderholt (R-Ala.) today unveiled the "Ten Commandments Defense Act," a bill that would allow government posting of the Decalogue in public buildings and order the federal courts to find the religious displays constitutional (posted 3/7/02).



AU's Field Department Needs Your Help
Religious freedom and the separation of church and state are under attack. Be a voice for religious liberty and help us defend the freedoms guaranteed by the First Amendment of the Constitution.



CONCLUSION:



This organization has sponsored the effort to change our Constitution. The individual who is involved is an activist for this organization. He is not a lone crazy person. He is a member of an organized effort yo upsurpt our society.



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1 posted on 06/27/2002 8:13:15 AM PDT by vannrox
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Good post. Thanks for doing the research.
2 posted on 06/27/2002 8:17:32 AM PDT by Bigg Red
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bump for later
3 posted on 06/27/2002 8:18:41 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: vannrox
vann ROCKS!
4 posted on 06/27/2002 8:18:41 AM PDT by facedown
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To: vannrox
Maybe them earthquakes have loosened all them bolts and NUTS.
5 posted on 06/27/2002 8:18:49 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: vannrox
I'm a financial contributor to Jay Sekulow's "American Center for Law and Justice", which accepts cases pro bono dealing with violations of religious freedom. I'm waiting for an email from his group on how they plan to fight this.
6 posted on 06/27/2002 8:23:32 AM PDT by Ciexyz
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You could not find a more idiotic, incompetent and destructive group of individuals in a street gang.
7 posted on 06/27/2002 8:29:34 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: vannrox
The 9th US Circus Court of Appeals is in one of San Francisco's premiere socialist neighborhoods. There are crack dealers, hookers, paroled sex offenders, beggars, crazy people walking around, the socialist prototype for future America. I suspect crack is falling into the soup in one of the nearby restaurants.
8 posted on 06/27/2002 8:32:39 AM PDT by Reeses
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9 posted on 06/27/2002 8:39:18 AM PDT by tubebender
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To: vannrox
One must keep in mind, that the reasoning in law is supposed to be based in logic. If the line of logic is followed, with only one eye, any given point has some degree of relevance with any other point. By totally excluding all factors except those which prove your point, it is possible to argue that "freedom OF religion" eventually means "freedom FROM religion", and that any and all references to a supernatural Supreme Being is therefore religion.

Two lines of reasoning came together here. One is that the Pledge of Allegiance has now become a prayer, simply because the words, "under God", have been included. The other is that, because schools are an agency by extension of the Federal government, that reference to God must be expressly forbidden.

But a wholly different outcome is that since school children may no longer pledge allegiance, they cannot declare their loyality and fidelity to the principles that bind the United States into one nation.

Was it not bad enough that the World Trade Center was knocked down? Must the rest of America be made meaningless as well? The US Flag is what brought us together that day, and denying ANYBODY the right to declare their love of country (by denying the Pledge of Allegiance as a legitimate expression of that belief) is to surrender to the external forces who clearly do NOT love the flag.

10 posted on 06/27/2002 8:40:27 AM PDT by alloysteel
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To: Bigg Red

Man who sued to stop pledge explains reasons for suit


(06-26) 17:42 PDT ELK GROVE, Calif. (AP) --



Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow said Wednesday he was trying to restore the Pledge of Allegiance to its pre-1954 version because no one should be forced to worship a religion in which they don't believe.

But if the threatening messages on his answering machine are any indication, the American public is not thanking him.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said Wednesday the phrase "one nation under God" amounts to a government endorsement of religion in violation of the separation of church and state and can no longer be recited in schools.

The decision was denounced as "ridiculous" by a wide range of people, from President Bush to parents of children who attend Florence Markofer Elementary School, the Elk Grove school where Newdow's daughter was a 2nd-grader.

Newdow, a Sacramento emergency room doctor, said in an interview that "Congress never intended to force people to worship a religion that they don't believe in" when they added the words "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954.

But Elk Grove parent Kathleen Doncaster, whose daughter attends the school said the Pledge of Allegiance isn't promoting religion.

"It's about being American. He needs to get a hobby," she said.

While Newdow expected the lawsuit would generate some controversy, he said he didn't expect the media attention or the threatening phone calls he experienced Wednesday.

Even though his daughter wasn't forced to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, it was wrong to require her to listen to it when she doesn't believe in it, he said.

A statement from the Elk Grove Unified School District Wednesday said it is disappointed with the decision by the court and plans to take "appropriate appellate action either by petitioning the Supreme Court of the United States of requesting an en banc hearing before the Ninth District."

Until then, teachers and students will continue to recite the Pledge of Allegiance until school administrators ask them not to, said Cheryl Hollis, chapter president of the Elk Grove Education Association that represents district teachers.

"I expect this will be a much challenged and difficult change," she said. "Following 9-11, there are very strong feelings from families about allegiance to America, and there is such diversity in our schools, it will be a difficult change."

Elk Grove is a rapidly growing Sacramento County community of 80,000 people, many of whom are state government or high-tech industry workers. Of the area school system's 40,000 students, 58 percent are minorities.

The school system also draws the sons and daughters of agriculture industry workers who live in the countryside outside the city limits.

Newdow said he is not worried about further action against his case, and should it reach the Supreme Court, he still plans to represent himself, saying, "I have done OK so far."

Still, Newdow said his family and his daughter have been threatened because of the lawsuit. He refused to discuss his daughter, saying only that she was "in a safe place." He also wouldn't say if he was married.

He wouldn't characterize the threats he received, saying only that they were "personal and scary. I could be dead tomorrow.

"Many people who are upset about this are people who just don't understand," he said, sipping fruit punch at his kitchen table. "People have to consider what if they were in the minority religion and the majority religion was overpowering them.

"Justice O'Connor said nobody should be made to feel like an outsider. This is a violation. I feel like I'm not a real American because I won't uphold the pledge," he said.

He filed a similar case in Florida in 1997, seeking to strike the words "in God we trust" from U.S. currency. He said Wednesday's decision is a "hopping off point" for other lawsuits, including one to end family laws, such as those concerning custody.
11 posted on 06/27/2002 8:45:29 AM PDT by vannrox
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SO saying a phrase with the word God in it, is forcing ones religon on people? This guy spent 2 much time in the 60's.
12 posted on 06/27/2002 9:10:04 AM PDT by Jzen
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To: vannrox
You seem to make several times what I would consider the illogical conclusion that because a law is passed by the majority of the population or a particular belief is supported by the majority of the population, that that inherently trumps a legal interpretation of the Constitution.

I consider this to be at the very least a dubious assertion. Just because a law enjoys majority support doesn't make it inherently Constitutional. Badly written law is still badly written law whether 5% of the country supports it or 95% of the country supports it. Extrapolating from your argument one must conclude that Brown vs. Board Of Education was a mistake and Plessy vs. Fergeson should never have been overturned.

In this case from what I've read of the decision, I think the 9th Circuit is factually accurate in its reasoning, particularly if you take into account what Eisenhower said when he signed it.

Would you consider it a breach of the Establishment Clause if the Pledge used "under Allah" instead of "under God"? Seriously. If the answer is yes then you have to explain to me the difference between the two.

Anyone who complains that this decision only strengthens the hand of the Christianity haters or advances their cause needs to stop and think about that concept for a minute because they have just legitimized the 9th Circuit's argument that the Pledge in its current form is not religion neutral.

That said, I have to say that I am not in favor of this decision. Though I do believe the outcome to be correct, in all honesty this case wasn't worth the effort put into it. Getting that nit picky over the Establishment Clause is overkill in my book. The only thing it will do is get a bunch of people riled for no good reason. We all know the Supreme Court will reverse the decision.

I'm more or less agnostic but I have no problem with the Plegde in its current form. But it does violate the Establishment Clause. But I consider it to be a "harmless violation". No harm, no foul.

13 posted on 06/27/2002 9:11:50 AM PDT by Metal4Ever
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Hey, atheism, agnosticism, socialism - are religions in their own right and this decision was clearly unconsitutional because it made the state to give a preference to the religion of atheism vs most other religious beleives.
14 posted on 06/27/2002 9:19:15 AM PDT by alex
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Emotion aside. Look at the logic. I am assuming that you are familiar with the Six-Signa analysis. What this means is that everything can be broken down into a bell shaped curve. Ages, occupation, religion, actions, behavior, everything. Sigma refers to the degree of inclusion of the entities.


One sigma would cut off the extreme top and bottom sides of the bell curve. A One sigma analysis states (kinda like) the 80/20 rules. 80% of the population is included in the middle, but the top and bottom 10% deviate from the norm to such a degree that they are excluded from the majority.


A two-sigma is tighter and has a smaller percentage at the extremes, and a six-sigma is over 95% inclusive. This kind of analysis is useful in factories where it is costly and impossible to include every person in the object.


Any one who has studied Calculus understands that an inversely exponential calculation will never reach zero. It would approach it, but it would never reach it.


The argument against the term "God" in the Pledge is based on the flawed belief that the Constitution is infinity-sigma. That is is completely incluse of evry one and every aspect. The truth is that no matter what form the Pledge takes there will be someone who will be offended.


The best way that I can explain this is that in a DEMOCRACY, the ONLY way that everyone would agree would be to have a situation whereas there are no freedoms. For where does democracy stop infringing on ones freedoms? That is the issue at stake. I'll repeat it again. Where does democracy (The rule of the majority) stop infringing on individual freedoms?


15 posted on 06/27/2002 11:23:11 AM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox
Bumping, for later read. Thanks for all the work!!!
17 posted on 06/27/2002 12:00:03 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
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Petition to the President of the United States and Members of Congress

I speak as an American citizen. The recent decision of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco where the Pledge of Allegiance was ruled Unconstitutional is an attack on America by way of the legal system. We are indeed "One Nation Under God."

To declare that anyone who pledges allegiance to the Flag of our Country is breaking the law is to declare the President of the United States and every member of Congress to be law breakers.

It has become abundantly clear that the two judges that voted for this must be impeached and removed from office. Please use the authority that you have been invested with and immediately vote to impeach judges Stephen Reinhardt and Alfred Goodwin.

To sign the Petition, click HERE.


18 posted on 06/27/2002 12:59:59 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: Metal4Ever
The pledge doe's not violate the establishment clause which specifically was included to avoid a Church of England or official religion situation. The problems in Northern Ireland are proof of the problems caused by an official, state sponsored state controlled religion which by definition would not be a religion but a corporation. All you separation nuts never fail to omit the other part of the wording forbidding the govt. from preventing the free exercise of religion. Unless you are told by the govt. under threat of force that you must worship in a certain state approved way it is not an establishment situation but the exercise of free choice.
19 posted on 06/27/2002 5:27:36 PM PDT by willyone
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To: justshutupandtakeit
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20 posted on 06/27/2002 5:29:20 PM PDT by 4America
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