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What happens when Israel runs out of ammo?
Times of Israel ^ | 2/26/24 | Jesse Ferris

Posted on 02/26/2024 7:10:38 PM PST by Uncle Miltie

According to US intelligence analysis, the Israeli Air Force dropped more than 29,000 bombs on Gaza in the first two months of the war alone. The international media has seized on this figure as a symbol of the unprecedented destruction Israel is wreaking on Gaza. But for Israelis, it should be a wake-up call. Assuming that intensive bombardment on such a scale is necessary to dismantle the terror infrastructure of Hamas, the question arises: how certain are we that munitions of this scope will be at our disposal in a future war?

This is not just an Israeli conundrum. The fighting in Gaza, despite its unique characteristics, is merely the latest illustration of the dizzying pace of ammunition consumption in modern warfare. This is certainly true of the asymmetric fight against terrorist armies: in 2016, the US is estimated to have dropped more than 24,000 bombs on Syria and Iraq as part of the campaign against ISIS. Yet conventional ground warfare has become an ammunition sinkhole as well. The Russia-Ukraine war is the most prominent example. Less than a year into Putin’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the Russians were forced to open 40-year-old ammunition depots and turn to Iran and North Korea for help to maintain the furious pace of artillery and rocket fire.

The Ukrainians, by contrast, were heavily reliant from the start on the supply of weapons from the West, especially the United States. Some numbers by way of illustration: so far, the US has supplied Ukraine with more than 2 million 155 mm artillery shells, 1.8 million 25 mm rounds, and 400 million rifle rounds and grenades. This comes in addition to advanced weapons systems, such as long-range rockets and anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles, which are all vital to repelling the Russian army.

At this time, all eyes in Kyiv (and indeed in Jerusalem) are on Washington, where a political stalemate in Congress has held up the decision on a desperately needed $60 billion aid package for months. Yet even absent political constraints, the most generous American policy imaginable would fall short of providing all of Ukraine’s needs. In December 2022, Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines revealed that Ukraine consumed five years of production of Javelin anti-aircraft missiles in the first 10 months of the war.

Nor is the gap between supply and demand limited to advanced weaponry. Artillery is a prime example. In the spring of 2023, the Ukrainian army’s rate of consumption of 155 mm shells stood at 6,000 to 8,000 per day, whereas American production output was about 15,000 per month. Since then, the US has ramped up production significantly, but even so, it is not expected to exceed 100,000 shells per month by October 2024. As it turns out, the artillery forces of the United States and its allies are almost completely dependent on the output of a single factory in Scranton, Pennsylvania.

These constraints explain why, in January 2023, the administration asked Israel to transfer 300,000 artillery shells from American stockpiles located in Israel to Ukraine. Of course, Israel herself now needs those stocks. Not to mention Tamir interceptors for Iron Dome, which are also manufactured in small quantities in the US, bombs, and spare parts for aircraft, tank shells, and so on. One does not need a security clearance to conclude that Israel’s military dependence on the United States is nearly absolute.

Sigh of relief?

Israelis will never forget the steadfast support of the United States in their difficult hour of need on October 7th and after. The airlift, the aircraft carriers, the presidential visit — all these will go down in history as testimony to the depth of America’s commitment to Israel. But the collective sigh of relief at the steadfastness of US support in the present crisis should prompt us to reconsider the assumption that we can or should rely on it in the future.

Reconsideration is due on three counts.

First, even when it comes to Israel’s most devoted friend — and it is hard to think of a more pro-Israel president than Joe Biden — dependence is dependence. And it comes at a price. When the US secretary of state lands at Ben Gurion Airport in wartime, above the list of demands he bears from the president hovers, unspoken, a threat to slow, suspend, or end the supply of armaments essential to the continued fighting. The Israeli government’s freedom of action is necessarily diminished as a consequence. That was true under a Republican president in 1973 and remains true under a Democratic president in 2023.Second, even the greatest power on earth, the “arsenal of democracy,” in President Roosevelt’s famous words, will not always be in a position to provide fully for the needs of its allies — whether because of its own needs or because of the competing needs of allies like Israel and Ukraine.The third cause for skepticism about Uncle Sam’s future generosity is that his continued support for his Jewish “nephew” can no longer be taken for granted. A poll taken in December revealed a troubling increase in the support of young Americans for Hamas and the Palestinians. The Democratic Party is already divided over support for Israel, with a sizable progressive faction increasingly alienated from Israel and its policies and already calling for the reduction of support for Israel. Meanwhile, the isolationist wing of the Republican Party is gaining strength, leading allies from London to Tokyo to wonder whether and when the US could abandon them.

It must be emphasized: Israel has no substitute for its alliance with the United States. Nevertheless, the present war forces upon us the question: is there a way to decrease Israel’s military dependence on America? This question can only be addressed seriously as part of a comprehensive post-war reflection that results in a revised security doctrine and a new grand strategy for Israel.

Meanwhile, here is one idea to kickstart the discussion. Israel can certainly do a better job of stockpiling munitions. It can also boost production of certain armaments. Israel alone will not be able to bear the costs of establishing an independent ammunition production capability, certainly not one capable of meeting all of the IDF’s needs in a future war — but Israel is not alone. Ukraine, as we have seen, is in the same boat. And not just Ukraine. In January 2023, when the US asked Israel to open emergency stockpiles for Ukraine, it made a similar request to another embattled democracy: South Korea. Although it is North Korea’s nuclear weapons that usually dominate the headlines, the immediate threat posed by Kim Jong Un is in the form of 6,000 artillery pieces aimed at Seoul and capable, according to estimates, of killing tens of thousands of civilians in the first hour of a war. Sound familiar?

As every Israeli understands, eliminating such a threat would require a massive air campaign sustained over the course of many weeks if not months. In other words, South Korea’s reliance on the US in a future war with their northern neighbor is absolute, just like Israel’s. And if you suspect this is the end of the list of democracies in a similar predicament, think of Japan, Taiwan, and Poland. There are others. But just the six countries mentioned above represent a cumulative GDP of over seven trillion dollars. What prevents a group of them from coming together — perhaps under US auspices — to build a joint defense production capability, complementary to the American one, in which each contributes its share and benefits from the fruits of the joint investment in times of crisis?

We can hope that the US continues to serve as the arsenal of democracy for many decades to come. We can pray for the future of bipartisan support for Israel. Indeed, we should do everything in our power to ensure it. But we must not bet on it. It is time for Israel to convene America’s allies and figure out together how to reduce their shared dependence on Uncle Sam.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; War on Terror
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There is clearly an insufficient supply chain. All and sunder will now start blaming this war and that faction, all well and good. But we (The West) need to be able to, and go ahead to, produce more arms.
1 posted on 02/26/2024 7:10:38 PM PST by Uncle Miltie
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To: Uncle Miltie

“and it is hard to think of a more pro-Israel president than Joe Biden.”

What?

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2 posted on 02/26/2024 7:13:40 PM PST by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
What happens when Israel runs out of ammo?


3 posted on 02/26/2024 7:14:00 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (It's not "Quiet Quitting" -- it's "Going Galt".)
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To: Uncle Miltie

This Message from Inside The Beltway on behalf of the Military Industrial Complex.


4 posted on 02/26/2024 7:14:43 PM PST by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER REV. NIEMOLLER)
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To: Uncle Miltie

“ and it is hard to think of a more pro-Israel president than Joe Biden”

So journalists are just as moronic as those in the rest of the West. Good to know.


5 posted on 02/26/2024 7:16:47 PM PST by Scott from the Left Coast (We have not yet achieved peak crazy)
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To: Uncle Miltie
and it is hard to think of a more pro-Israel president than Joe Biden

Bullshit!

6 posted on 02/26/2024 7:17:07 PM PST by sport (!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Israel makes plenty of its own small arms and field ammo.

In fact, it’s a supplier. Makes the best 5.56mm ammo in the world. Used by USA special forces.

The phase of the war that uses heavy stuff, for which there are more complex supply chains, is largely over.


7 posted on 02/26/2024 7:17:42 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
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To: Lurker

I need to smoke what they’re smoking.


8 posted on 02/26/2024 7:19:15 PM PST by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Israel makes its own ammo just fine.


9 posted on 02/26/2024 7:19:50 PM PST by blackdog ((Z28.310) Be careful what you say. Your refrigerator may be listening & reporting you.)
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To: wattojawa; RebelBanker

Ping to # 3


10 posted on 02/26/2024 7:20:18 PM PST by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: blackdog

I recall reading that Israel was sitting on a large quantity of the cluster munitions that became “controversial” in the west some years ago. AFAIK, they haven’t yet used any of that stash. Not ideal for use in Gaza, I suppose.


11 posted on 02/26/2024 7:29:17 PM PST by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

12 posted on 02/26/2024 7:29:23 PM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: Uncle Miltie
The money quote that proves we are led by perverted idiots:

As it turns out, the artillery forces of the United States and its allies are almost completely dependent on the output of a single factory in Scranton, Pennsylvania.

And these idiots think that they can take on China?

13 posted on 02/26/2024 7:30:19 PM PST by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: Charles Martel

If anything is a “cluster”, it’s Hamas.


14 posted on 02/26/2024 7:31:01 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Lurker

You mean the guy who calls him an a-hole and sometimes hangs up on him. That guy?


15 posted on 02/26/2024 7:31:32 PM PST by j.havenfarm (23 years on Free Republic, 12/22/23! More than 8,000 replies and still not shutting up!)
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To: Uncle Miltie
" What happens when Israel runs out of ammo?"

As loaded questions go, this ranks right up there with "When did you stop beating your wife?"

I rather imagine Israel will run out of Islamo-Fascists to kill before they run out of ammunition. After all, they still have their entire nuclear stockpile.

16 posted on 02/26/2024 7:32:23 PM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: Uncle Miltie

Have no fear. Trump will soon be back where he belongs.


17 posted on 02/26/2024 7:36:54 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (A truth that’s told with bad intent, Beats all the lies you can invent ~ Wm. Blake)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Borrow some from the ukes?


18 posted on 02/26/2024 7:40:19 PM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this💩? 🚫💉! 🇮🇱👍!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

You nuke the bastards.


19 posted on 02/26/2024 7:42:29 PM PST by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: Charles Martel

Such munitions have a shelf life and most of them were produced, at the latest, in the early 1990s. Most are far, far older.

Typical shelf life for a cluster munition is maybe 20-30 years until it stops being even vaguely reliable.

I leave it to the reader to do the math on the amount of time that has elapsed since 1993 to today.


20 posted on 02/26/2024 7:59:03 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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