Posted on 11/24/2022 6:35:44 AM PST by JonPreston
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov argued on Thursday that Russia's latest attacks against Ukraine's power grid weren't aimed at the civilian population, urging Kiev to "end the suffering" of its people by accepting Moscow's terms to end the war. Russia's requests for ending the attacks include Ukraine proclaiming political and military neutrality, recognizing Crimea as Russian territory and granting independence to Donetsk and Lugansk.
Despite millions of Ukrainians currently without power across the country, Peskov told reporters that Russia's military pays "special attention to avoid striking social targets... As for targets that are directly or indirectly related to military potential, they are accordingly subject to strikes," he concluded.
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Yevgeny Prigozhin is starting to make his move to replace PUTIN! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caWT9pOnmyw
Sally can propose peace but the ordinary Ukrainians will not give up land to the bully as they gave suffered too much.
If Putin had just annexed the Donetsk people’s Republic and the Luhansk people’s Republic they would have not liked it, but Putin’s failed invasion of Kyiv showed the Ukrainians that they cannot trust him
Ivanpresto “It was over 6 months ago, the Ukrainian military was decimated. The mop up operation continues against NATO mercenaries”
And yet in that time
Putin’s mercenaries have been pushed out if kherson, kharkiv and lost hundreds of tanks, thousands of soldiers and many ships.
You live in delusion
Every time I see this canard on Free Republic, I reflect on how dumb the poster has to be to have that thought in his or her head.
"existential threat" describes the Russian situation.
Vlads replacements will murder each other first
Wellyp “When that happens Putin will have to choose between supporting the Wagner Group who’s blood thirsty leader Yevgeny Viktorovich Prigozhin has his sights firmly set becoming the next “Czar” or standing with his own military. “
Putin has destroyed Russia
Why are you “Gormless Proud Canadian” proposing to nuke Moscow?
Discostu and I disagree with you.
The only push for regime change was when Russias dictator of 22 years, Putin, invaded Ukraine for the second time in 2022
The only "threat" NATO ever presented to Russia was a threat to Putin's ambition to recreate the former Soviet Union by force. He knew that once a country joined NATO, he would not be able to invade it without starting a war he knew he couldn't win.
NATO was never going to invade a nuclear-armed Russia, Putin knew that, as did all the pro-Russians sycophants here. They just pretend otherwise.
Again, I don’t speak to adults who ignore crimes against children.
As Timber Rattler in post 49 observes as his possible "mediation" effort: "What's to mediate? The Russians need to leave Ukraine and stop attacking it. Period."
Meanwile cronos says "Everyone is trying to mediate an end to the war."
So if he asks, "what's to mediate," then all the subsequent discussion about mediation devolves to Clinton's famous "it depends on the meaning of 'is;," and so everything depends on whatever the meaning of mediation is.
At this point, and without regard to the factions here on FR, I suspect that what many now call a "proxy" war has no "mediation" answer in the moment.
One side will run out of men and munitions first. Time will tell. Interim opinions will not.
In a similar manner, one side will survive the sanctions more successfully than another. So the war seems to be larger by far than many think. Unipolar is watching multipolar emerge, so I'd say all bets are off.
Russia and China are too dysfunctional to ever knock the USA off its perch, no matter how hard we fall, because corruption and murder in Russia and China are on an entirely different level there than anything we can imagine. What is shocking and unnatural in the USA is normal conduct for a Communist in China or a Russian politician.
The price cap is not on Russia. It’s a cap on what European countries can pay to Russia.
Also, even if there were no price cap how would Russia deliver the gas? Via Nordstream 1 or 2?
LOL
With respect, yours is an assertion, for none can accurately foretell the future. Oddly, as we watch the climate change foretelling/malarkey and so much more, many cheer on prognostications.
As to our "perch," at four percent of the world's population and with $34 trillion in official debt and over $100 trillion in those unfunded liabilities (promises made for the future to pay), neither Russia nor China need play a part in a fiscal collapse, should we do it to ourselves. History is not on the side of central banks' fiat currencies of any national flavor, and an international version as some dream can do no better.
What is shocking and unnatural in the US, in your words, as one watches the arch from Corzine to Enron to Madoff to now FTX? Given the Biden administration and "gender affirming" mutilation of children as now-national policies, what is and is not "dysfunctional?"
China is sitting on a mountain of Ponzi schemes the likes of which even God has never seen. It is nothing like what we suffer in the west. When that mountain crumbles, it'll be quite spectacular.
I agree that things will be quite spectacular. Here and there and everywhere.
But I repeat, our debt and unfunded promises are of such a magnitude that doing some simple math will boggle the mind.
"Debt / tax-paying population," for example, and even more impressive "unfunded liabilities / tax-paying citizens."
China as a uniparty, surveillance and military nation will use its force to keep that government in power "when that mountain crumbles," much like Venezuela and North Vietnam. What might we do? What might we become? When our mountain crumbles?
You sure quit easily.
Everybody else has seen it.
I was commenting on the statement about it being so easy, yet not giving the link. That was weird.
“It’s like China asking the U.S. to surrender Washington State and California and Oregon and Alaska and Hawaii, after starting a war.”
I live in Hawaii and I’m quite sure if you held a local referendum, they would happily join China without a war. They already have the same form of single party tyrant government,
A significant portion of our population is Chinese,
And Hawaiian Democrats hate Freedom.
Nothing says mop up by abandoning conquered territory that u supposedly annexed.
What a loon.
“...these people did not surrender even when their military collapsed in 2014...”
People can’t be replaced if power is out if they are freezing to death.
“...and the power just comes back on after 24-48 hours.”
If it is , it would have happened over the last 2 hours and it would have been the ability to fix nuclear reactors.
“Terrorism only works if you are a slave by nature.”
This is not terrorism, it is mass killing in a war. And dead people can’t fight no matter how tough and brave they were. And make no mistake on the amount of killing the Russians can provide.
Natural gas is used to heat about half of European households. Europe’s gas consumption is as much as 10-fold the electricity consumption of the Nordic countries. The majority of natural gas is used for household heating. The European Union depends on Russia for about 40% of its natural gas. Russia also supplies about 27% of the 27-country bloc’s oil imports, and 46% of its coal imports. In a war, it means what you destroy along with how much and how soon.
“Meanwhile, the European Union imported 155 bcm of Russian gas in 2021, consisting in 142 bcm of pipeline gas and 14 bcm of LNG. The EU depends on Russian gas for 45 percent of its imports and around 40 percent of its consumption. To put these numbers in perspective: Russia is by far Europe’s largest supplier.”
You mentioned that we were justified when President Truman ordered U.S. forces to South Korea to repulse the North’s invasion.
Supposedly democrats needed to look tough on communism. Truman used Korea to send a message that the U.S. will contain communism and come to the aid of their allies. This was misleading as an agreement militarily between the US and South Korea wasn’t signed until 1953 and the war started in 1950. So we weren’t helping our allies, we were helping, supposedly, ourselves getting into the war to do something that has never been accomplished. We not only didn’t contain it, we now accept it as part of our freedoms here in the US.
We have communist party involvement in our political system and socialist openly in the liberal party. Almost 40,000 Americans died in action in Korea, and more than 100,000 were wounded for that misstep.
Additionally the cost of the war was terrible financially on the American citizen. In 1950, the House of Representatives, in an overwhelming majority, voted 328 to 7 to raise personal income taxes, corporate income taxes, and excise taxes to cover the costs of the war. Also, capital taxation reached their highest levels in the history of the U.S. during the Korean War, rising to an average of about 62%. Sin and luxury taxes, such as those on furs, jewelry, and coin-operated gambling machines were increased as well and new taxes on television and household freezers, which represented goods that used materials and manufacturing facilities that were “maybe” important for the war effort. Taxes were again increased under the Revenue Act of 1951. So since this was done in advance of our ability to go into Korea per alliance, was it actually for the war or to increase democratic controlled coffers?
We lost a lot of lives and cash in that war to do absolutely nothing. Truman was worried that if Korea fell, the next country to fall would be Japan, which was very important for American trade. This was probably the most important reason for America’s involvement in the war.
That also failed. As the fifth-largest U.S. trade partner, Japan has been a priority for U.S. trade negotiations, especially as recent Japanese free trade agreements (FTAs) with other major trade partners lower Japan’s tariffs on imports from several countries, placing U.S. exporters at a disadvantage. Japan is also the largest foreign holder of U.S. government debt as of a report done November 9 this year. So we shot ourselves in the foot all the way around, didn’t we?
Russia controls a vast majority of those basic need imports by Europe. They can throw the switch any time they want and force Europe to burn their furniture. Taking away comforts is part of war along with collateral loss. And discomfort causes a lot of disgruntlement. And disgruntlement causes change when it hurts enough.
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