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If the vaccine works so well, why is COVID-19 surging again in Pa.?
Pennlive ^ | 30 November A.D. 2021 | David Wenner

Posted on 11/30/2021 4:37:34 AM PST by lightman

The numbers might seem to give plenty of ammo to COVID-19 vaccine doubters.

As the share of vaccinated people in Pennsylvania has grown over the summer and fall, so has the number of COVID-19 cases. As of Thanksgiving week, the daily case count and number hospitalized was similar to a year earlier, when no one was vaccinated. The trajectory seemed similar to the one that severely stressed hospitals and culminated in more than 200 deaths per day shortly after Christmas last year.

Doctors, however, continue to predict it won’t get that bad again.

They further say the data, particularly hospitalizations and deaths, provide plenty of evidence the vaccine is getting the job done.

“I would say this vaccine does exactly what it’s supposed to do. It decreases the number of cases by sixfold. It decreases your chances of dying or ending up in the hospital by tenfold,” said Dr. John Goldman, a UPMC infectious disease specialist.

He’s referring to assessments such as a recent report from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention which said unvaccinated people were 5.8 times more likely to test positive for COVID-19 and 14 times more likely to die of it.

Further, Goldman says vaccine has altered the character of the disease from one that preyed almost exclusively on the elderly, to one that is now having its worst effects on younger, unvaccinated people.

He says the proof is on display in UPMC hospitals and intensive care units.

“We’re no longer seeing mainly older people. The average severely ill patient is a 40-to-64-year-old, unvaccinated,” Goldman said. “We actually don’t see a lot of 65 and above, because 65 and aboves are vaccinated. In fact, a 50- to 64-year old who is unvaccinated is more likely to die than an 80-plus-year-old who is vaccinated.”

Other central Pennsylvania doctors described similar scenarios.

As of Nov. 26, Penn State Health was caring for 130 adult and five pediatric COVID-19 patients at its four hospitals. Of those whose vaccination status was known, 86 were less than fully vaccinated compared to 29 who were fully vaccinated. Moreover, 24 of the patients not fully vaccinated were in intensive care and 11 were on ventilators. That compared to eight fully vaccinated patients in intensive care and four on ventilators.

“People who are getting breakthrough infections are not as sick as people who are unvaccinated,” said Dr. Mohammed Ali, the lead infectious disease physician at Penn State Health’s Holy Sprit and Hampden medical centers. “I have so many younger individuals who are very sick and who end up on oxygen for prolonged periods of time and some of them don’t make it … Most of the vaccinated people have only a mild illness.”

WellSpan Health was caring for 223 COVID-19 patients as of last week, said Dr. Mark Goedecker, a WellSpan family medicine specialist. Eighty-seven percent were unvaccinated, as were 89% of the ones in intensive care, and 92% of the ones on ventilators, he said.

Goedecker was asked whether Pennsylvania’s surging level of new cases and hospitalizations undermines the argument for vaccination.

He stressed that while the vaccines are less than 100% effective, “they’re very good at preventing severe disease, hospitalization and death.”

“We are not going to prevent COVID in every single person by giving them a vaccine, but you will definitely get that extra layer of protection to prevent you from getting hospitalized, from dying from this,” he said.

Still, with so many Pennsylvanians vaccinated, how can we have such a surge in cases?

Central Pennsylvania doctors attribute it mostly to the emergence of the more contagious delta variant, considered several times more contagious than strains that were prevalent prior to summer. They also point to fewer restrictions than during the first year or so of the pandemic, more people back at the office and school, and people letting their guards down regarding preventive steps such as wearing face masks.

Also, colder weather is keeping Pennsylvanians indoors where COVID-19 spreads easier. The same is happening in other northern states, which are now seeing surges similar to the ones seen in southern states over the summer, when hot weather kept people indoors, Ali said.

Moreover, even Pennsylvania, in the upper half of states in terms of its vaccination rate, still has many unvaccinated people.

In fact, Pennsylvania’s vaccination picture abruptly turned out to be something of a mirage last week.

The CDC, after sorting out data problems such as double counts, last week said the number of fully vaccinated adult Pennsylvanians is only 68.8% — significantly less than the previous figure of 73.7%. A Pennsylvania Department of Health spokeswoman said it amounts to nearly 1.1 million people who were believed to be fully vaccinated who, as it turns out, are not.

Even before the revision, when it seemed only about a quarter of Pennsylvania adults were less than fully vaccinated, Goedecker said: “You look at Pennsylvania which has 13 million people. That’s still a lot of [unvaccinated] people. And so I think there’s still potential for this disease to spread and for hospitalizations to go up if we’re not careful.”

Still, the doctors predict the present surge will end before it repeats the level of last winter’s surge, especially in terms of COVID-19 deaths.

On Sunday, Pennsylvania’s seven-day average of new infections stood at 5,344, according to tracking by Johns Hopkins University. Its average daily death count was 46.

A year earlier, Pennsylvania was averaging 6,674 new infections and 84 deaths.

Pennsylvania’s peak daily average of new infections, 10,631, came last Dec. 13, according to Johns Hopkins data. Its daily average number of deaths peaked at 222 on Jan. 12.

As of Monday, Pennsylvania’s 14-day average of hospitalized COVID-19 patients stood at 3,278, similar to Nov. 29, 2020, according to state health department data. Pennsylvania’s daily average for hospitalizations peaked at about 6,100 around Christmas.

Before we reach those levels again, doctors predict, a combination of vaccinated people and unvaccinated people who have been infected, and therefore have some immunity, will bring us to a point where there aren’t many people left to get infected.

While it’s impossible to know how many, doctors say the latest case numbers suggest Pennsylvania still has a substantial number of people who are unvaccinated and who lack immunity gained from natural infection.

“I don’t know how close we are, but I think we are getting, hopefully, to the point that we will not see the large number of hospitalizations that we are seeing now,” Goedecker said. “I think if we can get more people vaccinated, it’s going to really slow it down or cause it to decline.”

Pen State Health’s Ali said: “I don’t envision this is going to be like last winter … Perhaps this winter is the last stand.”

Yet even as they spoke, the world was just learning of a new variant, called omicron, which is fueling a new surge in South Africa. It’s considered a certainty omicron will spread throughout the world. Doctors, still in the early stages of understanding it, said omicron seems more contagious than delta, but there are no immediate signs it’s making people sicker, or that it can evade vaccine.


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KEYWORDS: chinavirus; covid1984; omicron; paping; vaccine
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Goldman said. “We actually don’t see a lot of 65 and above, because 65 and aboves are vaccinated.

...or killed off already from last winter's wave.

1 posted on 11/30/2021 4:37:34 AM PST by lightman
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To: lightman

NYS counts asymptomatics, probables, and repeat positives of the same patient as new cases.

Does PA?


2 posted on 11/30/2021 4:38:21 AM PST by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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To: fatima; Fresh Wind; st.eqed; xsmommy; House Atreides; Nowhere Man; PaulZe; brityank; Physicist; ...

Pennsylvania Ping!

Please ping me with articles of interest.

FReepmail me to be added to the list.

3 posted on 11/30/2021 4:38:26 AM PST by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: mewzilla

Yes

Each and every positive “test” = 1 case.


4 posted on 11/30/2021 4:39:51 AM PST by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: mewzilla

And are they hospitalized with or for CoupFlu...

And if the patients do have the coof, was it due to nosocomial spread?

Are vaxxed superspreader employees giving vulnerable patients the coof?


5 posted on 11/30/2021 4:39:55 AM PST by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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To: lightman

PA’s stats are crap, too.

There’s a shocker.


6 posted on 11/30/2021 4:40:32 AM PST by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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To: lightman

Says Dr Mohammad Ali? Stings like a butterfly!


7 posted on 11/30/2021 4:41:00 AM PST by refermech
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To: lightman

Biden: “The new variant can break through the vaccine, so what we need to do is get everyone vaccinated.”

Reported uncritically in major news outlets.


8 posted on 11/30/2021 4:42:29 AM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: mewzilla

Lies in; lies out. That’s been the procedure in dealing with the ChiCom virus.


9 posted on 11/30/2021 4:42:58 AM PST by Carl Vehse (A proud member of the LGBFJB community)
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To: lightman

10 posted on 11/30/2021 4:43:24 AM PST by C210N (Everything will be okay in the end. If it’s not okay, it’s not the end.)
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To: lightman

If the vaccines worked, we should see lower infection rates.

We do not.

If the vaccines worked, we should see lower death rates.

We do not.

There may be a slight decrease in deaths, but it is not clear data or numerically obvious.

It will be hard to differentiate between a reduction due to the vaccines and a reduction due to natural immunity since they are not tracking that data.


11 posted on 11/30/2021 4:45:06 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (We are being played by forces most do not understand)
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To: lightman

Inform yourself on the aquuisition and use of Ivermectin, that more than anything will defeat the Commies and also knock down the very excuse the Commies use to control the People.

IN FACT these commies do not want you to know about Ivermectin, thats why they ridicule the drug and its use at every turn and suppress the news of Ivermectin’s effectiveness.

“FRONT LINE COVID-19 CRITICAL CARE ALLIANCE
PREVENTION & TREATMENT PROTOCOLS FOR COVID-19”

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Alliance-I-MASKplus-Protocol-ENGLISH.pdf

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How to get Ivermectin:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/how-to-get-ivermectin/

OR :

India Mart:

https://dir.indiamart.com/search.mp?ss=12+mg+ivermectin+tablet&prdsrc=1&src=as-popular%3Akwd%3Divermectin12mg%3Apos%3D2%3Acat%3D-2%3Amcat%3D-2

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The Governement misleads America:

1) mRNA vaccines DO NOT provide immunity of any kind.No antibodies.

2) mRNA vaccines do not prevent transmisson of the virus.

3) mRNA vaccines do attenuate Covid symptoms if the Covid mutant variant is vulnerable, for a limited period of 5 months ( Pfizer) to 6 or 8 months ( Moderna).

4) The mRNA vaccines do not work in the nasal cavity, in the pharnyx or in the lung, they only work in the blood stream, but give no protection to Covid involved organs.IVM does.

Thats why Ivermectin in your friend when taken within a few days of the infection or as prophylaxis.

Proof of Effectiveness of Ivermectin:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/epidemiologic-analyses-on-covid19-and-ivermectin/

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How Ivermectin works:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343390023_Ivermectin_docks_to_the_SARS-CoV-2_spike_receptor-binding_domain_attached_to_A

There is reasonably solid evidence that ivermectin docks to the spike protein itself to prevent binding to the ACE2 receptor which is the primary pathology causing the tissue damage and clots related to SARS-CoV-2. Therefore, this is also an implication that this ability of ivermectin to disable the binding of the Spike protein including the vaccine-produced spike proteins. This binding of ivermectin to disable the spike protein is also preserved even with the newer spike protein mutations, but its activity against the original Wuhan spike protein,(the one vaccines were designed to produce) is fairly well studied at this point.

Abstract:

Background/Aim: Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is an infectious disease caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). One drug that has attracted interest is the antiparasitic compound ivermectin, a macrocyclic lactone derived from the bacterium Streptomyces avermitilis. We carried out a docking study to determine if ivermectin might be able to attach to the SARS-CoV-2 spike receptor-binding domain bound with ACE2. Materials and Methods: We used the program AutoDock Vina Extended to perform the docking study. Results: Ivermectin docked in the region of leucine 91 of the spike and histidine 378 of the ACE2 receptor. The binding energy of ivermectin to the spike-ACE2 complex was -18 kcal/mol and binding constant was 5.8 e-08.

Conclusion: The ivermectin docking we identified may interfere with the attachment of the spike to the human cell membrane. Clinical trials now underway should determine whether ivermectin is an effective treatment for SARS-Cov2 infection.

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The following video [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11Bl2v3BR2M ] explains the multiple mechanisms of the activity of Ivermectin including the ability of the body to maintain its basic defense of the cell nucleus in preserving the body’s ability to produce antiviral proteins, inhibition of RNA dependant RNA polymerase which inhibits the replication of viral RNA (possibly including that from the mRNA vaccine package), the stat 3 human signaling pathway which inhibits the production of blood clots also possibly mitigating some of the vaccines most dangerous side effects. Also discussed is the inhibition of the CD147 pathway by ivermectin which again may block the clumping of platelets due to spike protein either from the virus or possibly the vaccines.

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2. Ivermectin will stop the China virus dead in it’s tracks. And Ivr doesn’t respect variants; it just works.>>>>>>>>>>>

Yep: You have to have a level of greater than 160 nanograms of IVM per liter of blood in your system, at that level it kills the virus. To get that level you beed to take O.6 mgs of IVM per kilogram of body weight for 5 days or longer, along with Vitamin C, Vitamin D, Quercetin,,( See the protocol link above)Take with food to increase absorption rate.


12 posted on 11/30/2021 4:47:28 AM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: lightman

Antibody dependent enhancement?


13 posted on 11/30/2021 4:48:44 AM PST by Cowman
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In fact, a 50- to 64-year old who is unvaccinated is more
likely to die than an 80-plus-year-old who is vaccinated.

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We are all born to die, like it or not. We can try to prevent
death via lifestyle, personal attention, meds, etc. I’m in the
80 plus-year-old group who is vaccinated. Every day that
I’m up and about is a blessing to enjoy. God above will
make the call.


14 posted on 11/30/2021 4:58:11 AM PST by deport
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To: Candor7

Thanks for the links. Will use them in current debate with social media friends over the effectiveness of Ivermectin.


15 posted on 11/30/2021 5:08:32 AM PST by FormerFRLurker
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To: lightman

Numbers were much better when there were no vaccines. Imagine if we had issued prevention and early treatment protocols last year.


16 posted on 11/30/2021 5:10:12 AM PST by Chauncey Gardiner
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To: deport

‘God above will make the call.’

if so, then why should we bother to take medicines, live a healthy lifestye, or strive to eradicate sickness...?


17 posted on 11/30/2021 5:10:56 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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“We’re no longer seeing mainly older people. The average severely ill patient is a 40-to-64-year-old, unvaccinated,” Goldman said. “We actually don’t see a lot of 65 and above, because 65 and aboves are vaccinated. In fact, a 50- to 64-year old who is unvaccinated is more likely to die than an 80-plus-year-old who is vaccinated.”

The actual numbers are widely available now from multiple states and directly from hospitals, if not the doctors and nurses themselves.

Unvaccinated individuals have 5 to 10 times the chance of dying from COVID in severe cases. Ok, yes, we all know the damned vaccinations do not stop one from catching COVID. That can be said for every vaccination ever created. You still get it, but unless your compromised, you won’t experience the most severe symptoms including death.

I posted direct data just yesterday where people can perform their own statistical analysis and judge for themselves. If they do, they will find the truth.

And there are enough various sources to drop a few if they don’t agree and still arrive at the same results. The vaccines, designed to protect the most vulnerable, will do so.

What conservatives need to do is champion freedom of choice on taking the vaccine and fight totalitarian mandates from lefttard idiots.

We can win the persuasion battle on that point alone. Never mind embracing the various reasons people don’t want to take an mRNA vaccine or whichever one is available to them.

Supporting the cause of freedom is a win.

Supporting the hundreds of mixed messages on the vaccines when the benefits can easily be determined with basic data analytics is a losing proposition and one loses the persuasion war right along with everything else.

18 posted on 11/30/2021 5:21:42 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists...Socialists...Fascists & AntiFa...Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: lightman

Why?

December is upon us. People do not go outside in the diminishing sunshine


19 posted on 11/30/2021 5:23:30 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Free Republic has gone to hell is a Covid handbasket)
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To: FormerFRLurker

Testimonial Page with video witnesses:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/testimonials/


20 posted on 11/30/2021 5:50:24 AM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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