[Erik Latranyi]

If the vaccines worked, we should see lower infection rates.

We do not.

If the vaccines worked, we should see lower death rates.

We do not.

There may be a slight decrease in deaths, but it is not clear data or numerically obvious.

It will be hard to differentiate between a reduction due to the vaccines and a reduction due to natural immunity since they are not tracking that data.

[Caipirabob]

“We’re no longer seeing mainly older people. The average severely ill patient is a 40-to-64-year-old, unvaccinated,” Goldman said. “We actually don’t see a lot of 65 and above, because 65 and aboves are vaccinated. In fact, a 50- to 64-year old who is unvaccinated is more likely to die than an 80-plus-year-old who is vaccinated.”

The actual numbers are widely available now from multiple states and directly from hospitals, if not the doctors and nurses themselves.

Unvaccinated individuals have 5 to 10 times the chance of dying from COVID in severe cases. Ok, yes, we all know the damned vaccinations do not stop one from catching COVID. That can be said for every vaccination ever created. You still get it, but unless your compromised, you won’t experience the most severe symptoms including death.

I posted direct data just yesterday where people can perform their own statistical analysis and judge for themselves. If they do, they will find the truth.

And there are enough various sources to drop a few if they don’t agree and still arrive at the same results. The vaccines, designed to protect the most vulnerable, will do so.

What conservatives need to do is champion freedom of choice on taking the vaccine and fight totalitarian mandates from lefttard idiots.

We can win the persuasion battle on that point alone. Never mind embracing the various reasons people don’t want to take an mRNA vaccine or whichever one is available to them.

Supporting the cause of freedom is a win.

Supporting the hundreds of mixed messages on the vaccines when the benefits can easily be determined with basic data analytics is a losing proposition and one loses the persuasion war right along with everything else.

[Antoninus]

It will be hard to differentiate between a reduction due to the vaccines and a reduction due to natural immunity since they are not tracking that data.

And a reduction due to the fact that many of the most vulnerable folks have already been killed by COVID.

It's not unreasonable to look at this data and conclude that the vax is having no appreciable impact.