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Is America headed for civil war? Of course it is....
Alt-Market ^ | 7 July 2020 | Brandon Smith

Posted on 07/09/2020 4:11:25 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

In last week's article I discussed the issue of American “balkanization” and the rapid migration of conservatives and moderates from large population centers and states that are becoming militant in their progressive ideology. In my home state of Montana there has been a surge of people trying to escape the chaos and oppression of leftist states. Some are here because of the pandemic and the harsh restrictions they had to endure during the first lockdowns. Others are here because they can't stand the hostility of identity politics, cancel culture and race riots. Either way, they are fleeing places with decidedly leftist influences.

Uprooting and moving to an entirely new place is not an easy thing to do, especially in the middle of a pandemic. For many people, such an idea would have been unthinkable only a few years ago. Believe me, moving to a place like the Rocky Mountain Redoubt is not an easy transition for most. Hopefully these people understand that they will have to make extensive preparations for the rough winter and be ready to work hard in the spring and summer months to survive. Maybe they don't realize yet how tough it is here; maybe they know and don't care.

That's how bad the situation has become – Rational and reasonable people are willing to leave behind their old life and risk it all to keep a margin of freedom.

In my view it is clear that the political left has gone so far off the rails into its own cultism that there is no coming back. There can be no reconciliation between the two sides, so we must separate, or we must fight. I advocate for separation first for a number of reasons:

First and foremost, conservatives are the primary producers within American culture. If we leave the leftists to their own devices there is a chance they will simply implode in on themselves and eat each other because they have no idea how to fill the production void. The recent developments in the defunct CHAZ/CHOP autonomous zone are a perfect example. Those people don't have the slightest clue what they are doing and it shows.

Second, if conservatives separate it provides a buffer that helps defuse future random conflicts. When you force the two sides into a box together eventually they will find a reason to try to kill each other. Putting some distance between them and us reduces the angst.

Third, if the leftists decide they don't like that we have separated and are thriving on our own, and they attempt to antagonize or attack us where we live, then we hold the clear moral high ground when we smash them to pieces in response.

I fully realize that the third outcome is the most likely. War is probably inevitable. Why? Because collectivists and narcissists are never satisfied. They desire unlimited control over the lives of others and they will use any means to get that control no matter how destructive. Separating from them is only a stop-gap that allows us to take the superior position. Through peaceful migration, we set the pace of the conflict. Eventually they will come after us, and there will be no doubt about our response then. There will be no way to spin the result in their favor, no way for them to play the victims.

Some people might question if we are actually to the point of open conflict; they might accuse me of “doom mongering”. Others may argue that conservatives are acting “passive” and that we will never take any action. These assumptions are common right now because such people do not understand how history progresses and how group psychology evolves.

Domestic war is not something pursued lightly, or haphazardly. The average person knows at least subconsciously that it's better to seek resolution or to remain patient as events unfold. Conservatives aren't stupid; we know that before any civil war there is first a culture war. And, we know that the cards are stacked against us and that if we act rashly in any way we will lose position in that culture war.

So, we let the leftists spit and rage like madmen for a little while. Each day people who were on the fence when it comes to the culture war are witnessing this and come over to our side because we're the only side that is sane. The drawback is, there comes a point in which calm professionalism might be wrongly perceived as weakness. And when people sense weakness among conservatives, they might run into the arms of the extreme left thinking that it's safer to join the “winning team”.

I believe conservatives have not been sucked into a reactionary stance yet because they are thinking logically and refusing to play the game for now. In some ways it is how we enter the fight that is more important than the fight itself. To understand why, we have to look at the bigger picture beyond the left/right conflict.

As I noted last week, the political left is a tool for a greater agenda. They are being used as a weapon of chaos by globalist interests. This is not “conspiracy theory”, this is conspiracy fact. Millions of dollars have poured into Antifa and BLM related groups through elitist donors like George Soros and his Open Society Foundation as well as the Ford Foundation. Globalist institutions like these have been influencing the extreme left and promoting identity politics for DECADES. This is openly admitted. What we are witnessing in 2020 is simply the culmination of a half-century long propaganda campaign that created the modern feminist movement, victim group status, entitlement culture, etc.

The reason for the agenda should be obvious: Chaos creates fear. Fear creates division and crisis. And, crisis creates opportunity (as globalist Rahm Emanuel once bragged). Meaning, the extreme left is going to start a war because that's exactly what the global elites created them for. Now, some might suggest that this places conservatives in a Catch-22 position; if we don't fight back then we will look weak. We will be culturally isolated and eventually overrun and wiped from the history books. If we do fight back we will be giving the globalists what they want – A civil war that will tear America apart.

The suggestion by certain special interests will be that there is only one way out; use government power to turn the tide to our advantage. In other words, institute martial law. I don't really see it that way. Once we understand that a fight is coming regardless, our task is to position ourselves with the most advantage possible while keeping our culture and our principles intact. This includes our belief in constitutionalism, civil liberties and opposition to tyranny in ANY form. Winning the fight is important, but maintaining our principles in the process is more important. Becoming a monster to fight the monster is the same as losing.

When the left comes for us (and they will), the fight has to be won by us, not government. We cannot hand even more power to government in the name of security. We cannot become the fascists the leftists accuse us of being. I am often asked these days about my view of the 2020 election and how it will turn out. I did predict Trump's election win in the summer of 2016 based on the idea that Trump's presence in the White House would drive the left insane, as well as give the globalists a perfect “conservative” scapegoat for the economic collapse they had been engineering since at least 2008.

Trump's cabinet of global elitists suggests his complacency in this plan. We still live under a one party system pretending as if it is a two party paradigm. Furthermore, I am not convinced there will even be an election in November. With pandemic lockdowns surely returning as infections spike once again, the US economy will be in ruins by winter. Voting in a traditional fashion will be difficult or restricted in some states. And, mail-in or digital ballots will not be accepted by most conservatives because of their history of being used to rig election outcomes.

Look at it this way: If Trump “wins”, or delays the election, the left will riot and a civil war will be triggered. Conservatives will have to deal with the violence of the left while also dealing with the potential for martial law (which we cannot tolerate or support either). If Biden “wins”, it will be perceived by many conservatives who still think elections matter as a stolen presidency engineered through fraudulent ballot practices.

To summarize, if Trump is still in the White House in 2021, get ready to fight back against leftist mobs as well as martial law measures. If you believe in freedom, realize that fake conservatives that support government tyranny will be as much a problem as Marxist lefties. If Biden enters the White House, expect him to immediately implement unconstitutional policies including medical tyranny, gun confiscation and martial law. Either way, it ends in war.

It's also the classic false choice narrative: You can choose Marxism and communism, or you can choose fascism. Communism being the elevation of the weak and the oppression of the strong in the name of arbitrary "equality", and fascism being the elimination of the weak or less fortunate in the name of making more room for the strong. Both sides rely on totalitarian government to assert dominance, and both sides benefit the elitist establishment. The great con is that there is no third option, when there is; the non-aggression principle, citizen defense, voluntarism and freedom.

Frankly, I almost prefer a scenario in which Biden and the left are perceived as stealing the election. At least then conservatives will be fully united once again and ready to fight, instead of passively relying on a Pied Piper like Trump to save them. The truth is, in 2020-2021 we stand at a massive nexus point in human history. We are spiraling into a decade and a fight that will decide the fate liberty for the next century or more. On one side stands the global elites and the useful idiots on the hard left. They will push for a collectivist system that erases all memory of the Constitutional Republic we once new, and they will get help from fake conservatives that value power over principle. On the other side stands the people that just want to be left alone; the free minds, the people that don't need or desire to have power over anybody.

If humanity is to have a future at all, the second group must continue to exist and prosper. They are the wellspring that feeds us, that gives us something to hope for. If the elites and the social justice mob take control, there can be no future for our species. They desire what they cannot and should not have. They value only what they can take from others. They have a hunger that can never be satiated. They will devour the world until there is nothing left while claiming they stand for the “greater good”. War cannot be avoided with such people; the only question is, will liberty minded people stay the course and stick by their principles or will they fall to their darker impulses to ensure victory?


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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Troubling times are ahead, no doubt. But his predictions of the way things will evolve are way off. First, a Bible believing Christian who has read the book of Daniel knows God is in control of the nations, and the entire Bible speaks of His plan for the fate of our species. That won’t be decided by globalist bogeymen.

Second, a conservative migration to create a Constitutional utopia is unlikely. Migrate en masse to where? Set up a strong and productive society with what assets, what industry, what markets? How are we going to keep the leftist CEOs and financiers and market middlemen out? How do you test for and enforce that short of totalitarianism?

Third, in the event of a civil war, it won’t be just political left vs. right. It will also be racial in some places. Opportunists will rush in. Numerous enemies covet our territory and resources, from Mexico to China. There will be enemies on every side, and it won’t be tidy and clear.

Again, this is from a biblical world view, but God’s word is clear about what he considers an “abomination”, and this country is full of them— from rampant homosexuality to the death of more than 70million babies and counting. Like Assyria in Nahum, the US is due for a reckoning. Some believe the middle chapters of the apocryphal book of Revelation refer to a pattern of judgement on a nation to weaken it in stages prior to destruction: disease, natural disasters, economic ruin, internal wars, external invasion. In the middle of that process, there is this chilling verse which at once shows God’s attempts to get people to change before it’s too late: “But still they did not cease from their idolatry and their killing.”


41 posted on 07/09/2020 5:44:40 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus (ThereÂ’s a crucial difference in knowing about God, and knowing God.)
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To: metmom

Mom, please add me to for growing ping list.
Thank you!

J


42 posted on 07/09/2020 5:47:39 AM PDT by SheepWhisperer (My enemy saw me on my knees, head bowed and thought they had won until I rose up and said Amen!)
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To: mikeus_maximus

‘Again, this is from a biblical world view, but God’s word is clear about what he considers an “abomination”, and this country is full of them’

perhaps you can explain why a world loaded with ‘abominations’ such as lightly restricted abortion can be permitted to continue apace with these abominations, if the deity that created everything is so offended by them...Roe v Wade, 47 years and counting, sixty million deaths and counting even as we watch...you speak of divine retribution; how glacially slow is such retribution acceptable to you...?


43 posted on 07/09/2020 5:48:00 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Eaker; Jack Black; archy; DuncanWaring; Travis McGee; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; AK2KX; ...

About the CWII Ping List

The CWII Ping List is short for Civil War II. It is NOT a list of people advocating another Civil War in America. It is a list of people who are interested in the parallels between the Civil War (or War Between the States, if you prefer) and our current situation, or more generally are noting the references to a 'coming Civil War' that are made in the press.

Of course sometimes this is merely a figure of speech, such as "The Tea Parties are fighting a civil war for the heart of the GOP". This would not merit a CWII ping.

On the other hand someone saying something like "The events in California are reminiscent of what happened in Yugoslavia in the period proceeding the Civil War" would merit a ping.

FR rules do not permit advocating for the overthrow of the Republic, and I am not aware of anyone doing so on the list. Still many do see that as the political climate worsens we may be heading in a direction that makes such a conflict all but inevitable, particularly if other avenues for resolving our differences are taken away. Such as widespread vote fraud by leftists making elections meaningless, or a small cadre of judges over-ruling all attempts to end destructive policies over the clear will of the people.

The correct keyword tag for the Civil War II ping list is "CWII". Please Freep Mail me to get on the list

44 posted on 07/09/2020 5:49:20 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
the Constitutional Republic we once new,

It's very difficult to self edit.

45 posted on 07/09/2020 5:50:06 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Make American Intelligence Great Again. Bring back ASA.)
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To: ScottinVA

What would be a suitable litmus test against wolves in sheep garments m


46 posted on 07/09/2020 5:50:23 AM PDT by SheepWhisperer (My enemy saw me on my knees, head bowed and thought they had won until I rose up and said Amen!)
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To: mikeus_maximus

” First, a Bible believing Christian who has read the book of Daniel knows God is in control of the nations, and the entire Bible speaks of His plan for the fate of our species. That won’t be decided by globalist bogeymen.”

You didn’t read the Bible, only parts of it. WWI, WWII, and all the other world wars in history weren’t thwarted by God.


47 posted on 07/09/2020 5:54:58 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

BKMK.


48 posted on 07/09/2020 5:57:15 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: luckystarmom

Very close to our own story.

We just made our NYEXIT and are NH residents now.

We still have the house in NY to sell and then we’ll be done.


49 posted on 07/09/2020 5:59:04 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: CincyRichieRich

‘Imagine is President Trump had not won the last election. Would ever have been another election? Yes...like China’s or Russia’s.’

would you have said the same thing if you had lived sometime during the years 1861-1933, when one party (republican) held the White House for 56 of the 72 years...only Cleveland and Wilson broke through the streak for the dems...


50 posted on 07/09/2020 6:00:25 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Beagle8U

They are in Arkansas, not Alaska.

I believe you can buy long guns in states contiguous to your state of residence, unless that state is California (of course).


51 posted on 07/09/2020 6:17:39 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin; metmom; All

That was a great read. Thanks for posting. It doesn’t make me sad; I find it inspiring. I know what is right will win out in the end.

Also, I don’t think we’ll see full-out war in our lifetimes. America is still too wealthy of a nation for that to happen. There’s too much capital to burn through, even if it IS just on paper. ;) The Socialist Democrats ARE working on destroying the economy, that’s for sure. It’s their only hope, actually.

And don’t forget the RINOs who are working against, ‘We The People, as well. They’re every bit as much to blame. :(

“If you believe in freedom, realize that fake conservatives that support government tyranny will be as much a problem as Marxist lefties.”


52 posted on 07/09/2020 6:20:18 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Another spoke in this wheel of chaos will be the financial system implosion. Most of us have worked hard and saved what we have earned for our future. The other side, probably not so much. You think the chop/chaz gang were financially solvent?

If things go off the rails, banks, credit unions and other financial institutions could become a house of cards. As there will most definitely be a run on banks, your entire lives earnings may become unavailable. That will be an attention getter.


53 posted on 07/09/2020 6:21:52 AM PDT by CodeJockey (Dum Spiro, Pugno)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Our side badly needs the organization of local militias (as guaranteed by the constitution). Especially with the police under attack, and the threat posed by the international funded leftwing militias, such as Antifa, BLM, and radical Muslim groups. These militia cells should be organized bottom-up in every county and led by local sheriffs and military veterans. A blue print is badly needed.


54 posted on 07/09/2020 6:23:26 AM PDT by Swirl
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To: PeaRidge
That is precisely, and in totality, the cause of the first War Between the States of Northern Agression.

55 posted on 07/09/2020 6:26:35 AM PDT by Augie
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To: Halgr
What if we are at the door way to the Biblical Tribulation?

I've enjoyed studying End Times theology, and one thing is pretty clear: America doesn't seem to play much, if any, role. I used to think that meant America would get destroyed in a war, but now I believe we'll simply implode from the rampant immorality. We'll lose any moral standing in the world, and thus will have to stand by and watch as events play out. Does that mean we should stop fighting against the enemy? Absolutely not. God is still sovereign and His plan will work.

56 posted on 07/09/2020 6:34:03 AM PDT by Kharis13
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Brilliant article.... Absolutely


57 posted on 07/09/2020 6:37:17 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

This Civil War will be urban vs rural.

I’m glad that I grew up a country boy. I side with the group that values freedom, grows the food, and believes in the right to bear arms.


58 posted on 07/09/2020 6:40:03 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: Disambiguator; luckystarmom
With long guns, usually an over-the counter purchase from an FFL is okay out of state. Some states may add additional restrictions (the contiguous states thing could be such a state requirement, I know it doesn't apply everywhere). The problem with having a California driver's license is that California requires that ALL transfers of ANY firearm be made through a California FFL dealer. You may purchase from an out-of-state dealer, but the transfer must occur through a California FFL, who is required to verify that the firearm may be sold in California, collect California sales tax, and impose the California 10 day waiting period. That's why an Arkansas purchase is a no-go.
59 posted on 07/09/2020 6:42:24 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
I believe conservatives have not been sucked into a reactionary stance yet because they are thinking logically and refusing to play the game for now.

Conservatives need to remember that almost all of the Left is/are godless. As such, anything goes! Why do you think they have no qualms about beating people? Why do you think their language is always so filthy?

When you're godless, you have no absolutes. Anything goes. Things that conservatives would never consider doing are easy for progressives. No absolutes means you can make up the rules as you go.

60 posted on 07/09/2020 6:43:23 AM PDT by Kharis13
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