Posted on 05/04/2020 9:01:38 PM PDT by Barnacle
Most of us have been in lockdown for about six weeks. The objective was to flatten the curve and reduce the total number of victims of COVID-19. Well, the curve has been flattened indeed, but how is it six-weeks later there are 25,375 new cases in a single day?
With all the laws and policies implemented to knock out this virus, I expected wed be on the last leg of the downward curve by now. But, instead of a peak and decline, weve had three peaks and shallow valleys between them.
If people are staying at home, practicing social distancing, wearing masks in public, washing their hands and sanitizing everything in sight, how is it that COVID-19 continues to be transmitted from person to person?
A couple possibilities that occurred to me are that: 1) People flouting the laws, or 2) The virus is phenomenally virulent beyond anything ever seen before ( bio-weapon).
I was fully on board with the lockdown orders when they were issued. It was what we needed to do to beat this. However, we are at the point that the cure is becoming worse than the disease. In addition to what this virus has done to people directly, what about the collateral damage, such as long-term damage to our economy? For instance, consider the first two trillion dollar bail-out. Who pays for it? If you are among the approximate one-hundred-million US tax payers, you do. The federal government just signed your name to a $20,000 loan. Dont think so? Do the math.
It would be particularly interesting to hear the stories of COVID-19 cases that youve heard of in the last couple weeks and theories of how they were exposed.
Should we just let this thing take an inevitable course, or should we double-down on lock-down?
This is about the dumbest effin question I seen written by a total and utter moron on this subject WTF does he think "flattening the curve" means? It means not increasing by 10 fold a week stretching to the 10s of millions. It means litterally what it says - that the curve is flat, that the number of new cases is not increase every day. That is what flat means. In fact, the number of new cases is decreasing - which is the whole point of social distancing or whatever you want to call mitigation measures to reduce Rt. He does know what Rt means, doesn't he?
Some of these flubros really are dumber than dirt. but tg
Unfortunately it is impossible any information being released about the numbers. No one is interested in the truth. Just how the chrisis can be used.
You are half correct and half wrong. Yes it was to flatten out the curve, but it was never to reduce the total number of viruses. It was to buy time to catch up with PPE and ventilators and to prevent overwhelming hospitals.
The virus was among us much earlier than we knew. Thus people were transmitting the virus. It's just that in most cases people rarely get symptoms and/or they experience mild symptoms, unless they have underlying health issues.
We didn't have testing due to errors and due to China not providing samples of the virus to create effective tests. The fact that we have more people being confirmed is due to testing now being available and the fact that it has been among us for longer than we knew and had been spreading all that time when we were unaware that it was among us already.
3) the numbers are not accurate/manipulated/overcounted
i bet 3
So hibernate for the rest of your miserable existence.
I’d rather LIVE for fewer days, thank you very much Karen!
Cross the street you tard!! I aint touching you.
Cross the street you tard!! I aint touching you.
Tell me - what is the point of everyone masking. And no it is not a lie. Tell me genius. What is Rt. How does masking affect Rt. What valued to we want to get Rt to to start killing off this virus.
Can you write down the differential equation to describe this? And then can you solve it?
dropping in NY and CA
https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus-ny/
https://public.tableau.com/profile/ca.open.data#!/vizhome/COVID-19PublicDashboard/Covid-19Hospitals
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Instead of believing the experts in government, listen to the ones in the universities and medical institutes around the world. They’ll tell you that lockdowns and sheltering only prolong the epidemic and kill more people in the long run, as well as kill the economy. And never believe models for the human body and the climate - too many uncontrollable variables.
Where do you see this?
It is likely fake news. Someone could be reporting this to discredit state reopenings. This ignores that there is a 2-week incubation period, so any increase due to opening the economy would be seen later.
lets all shelter in place and spread it around /s
“And the numbers will just get bigger and bigger as the idiots” continue to believe them.
This is TOTALLY political now, to get rid of Trump and fundamentally change (end) America.
Thanks!
Good news.
If the “idiots” had infected themselves and others and all the nonsensensical government actions had not taken place this would have already burned itself out. All that social distancing was ever intended or expected to do was “flatten the curve” which means spread it out over a longer period of time so the hospitals would not get overwhelmed.
That might have been a good idea in some places where the population is densely packed together and people share enclosed spaces with infected people and they get a large viral load on first contact. But not in other places where people do not have a lot of close contact with many others in enclosed spaces.
This virus is going to continue making the rounds until enough people have been exposed and develop antibodies that the number of people each infected person passes it on to goes to a number less than one. Then it will basically go away. You can't get rid of a virus by “social distancing” for months on end... it doesn't work that way. We would have been better off if a system had been set up a large scale controlled means to infect people who were not vulnerable to complications from this virus with just a small amount of viral load so that they could have developed immunity without developing symptoms.
On the fire department that I retired from 11 people were found to test positive. None of them would have been tested if they had not been firefighters. 2 weeks later all tested negative. Only one developed any symptoms, but they were from his seasonal allergies. This virus is not harmful or even noticed by most people who are not old or have no conditions that put them at greater risk.
Oh, and the masks people are wearing are just a feel good thing, like pacifiers for little kids, they don't really do much of anything, especially when you are outside or driving around alone in your car. In those cases it is more like wearing a dunce cap.
yes, look at new york’s data on the link, significantly on the back of the slope
Were testing more than 250,000 people per day, and that figure is going to rise with the increased availability of tests. The rate of deaths is dropping overall. A couple weeks ago, we were averaging 2,300 deaths per day and now its trending downward (with the exception of the occasional upward spike) overall. The numbers of recovered patients is accelerating as well. More than 73% of resolved cases (187,553 recoveries vs 69,731 deaths) are recoveries.
More testing is being done; thus, more results are becoming available.
I still look at the death rate-to-recovery rate, but most seem to ignore the recovery rate.
For my state it is 80 deaths-to-2041 recoveries. So far, it has 54,608 tests with 3,469 positive and 51,139 negative.
I don’t care about “cases”...tell me the deaths...and don’t make it Covid-19 for nearly everyone.
The 38,000 number is “confirmed” deaths.
That means a death certificate and official cause of death have been sent to and processed by the CDC.
The 38,000 number is based on data that is several weeks old.
I assume the “headline” 69,000 number is compiled from data from state and local Health Departments - but, I do not know that for certain.
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