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I Want to Talk About Stopping Impeachment
self | 10/17/19 | Jim Noble

Posted on 10/17/2019 11:39:25 AM PDT by Jim Noble

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To: Jim Noble

Here’s an interesting article about Watergate. It’ll inform a lot of us - those who were aware of what was going on, and even those who weren’t born yet:

https://crankynotions.com/2012/08/22/forty-years-on-and-watergate-still-doesnt-make-sense/


41 posted on 10/17/2019 12:18:02 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Redwood71

Read this and understand Watergate a whole lot better: https://crankynotions.com/2012/08/22/forty-years-on-and-watergate-still-doesnt-make-sense/


42 posted on 10/17/2019 12:19:21 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Jim Noble
You are borrowing trouble, there is no comparison. Nixon's circumstance and Trumps's are as unalike as chalk and cheese.

Nixon resigned because his voting base deserted him, which undermined his support from his party. As yet, not only is Trump's base not deserting him, his approval rate is the most unwavering of any president since they began tracking the statistic.

Nixon loathed the press, and was loathed by them. He intensely disliked having to deal with them and never learned the knack of getting the best of them.

Trump is loathed by the press but he relishes the intellectual jousts with them because he routinely makes them look foolish and amateurish. He makes them dance before him like puppets on strings.

And why stop impeachment? If they impeach but can't convict (and there is exactly ZERO chance of conviction), it will cost the demoncrats dearly at the ballot box.

I think the best course is to heed the advice of the Napoleon Bonaparte when he said "...[W]hen the enemy is making a false movement we must take good care not to interrupt him."

43 posted on 10/17/2019 12:21:07 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: Pollster1

“I’d rather disband the FBI and CIA completely than allow them to continue with this taint in their DNA.”


Keep in mind that Kennedy was rumored to want to disband the CIA. What they bungled (maybe on purpose) with Castro, I’m beginning to believe that they accomplished with JFK. Johnson also, IMHO, knew what was going on and went along for the ride for obvious reasons...and, hence, the Gulf of Tonkin incident and war in Vietnam, very shortly thereafter.


44 posted on 10/17/2019 12:22:15 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Bonemaker
Caving republicans sealed Nixon’s fate

That's exactly what happened, but do not minimize the fact that they "caved" after eighteen months of orchestrated propaganda that was expertly deployed by CIA (Woodward), FBI (Felt), WaPo (Bradlee, who had intel connections), and the electronic media, then in its infancy.

The tapes, and especially the erasure, would not have worked any sooner than they were deployed.

Nixon was trapped in a hall of mirrors, enemies appearing and disappearing, not knowing who to trust, lashing out as anyone would do.

It was these concealed lines of attack that prepped the battlefield for the big reveal of the tapes, JUST AT THE MOMENT when the donors and media could wallop the GOP Senators with maximum pressure.

45 posted on 10/17/2019 12:24:26 PM PDT by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: Alberta's Child

You have no doubt seen some of the insane impeachment drumbeat that goes on 24/7 on CNN.

Now, imagine that you only have access to 3 television channels and it’s on ALL of them.

And that they interrupt regular programming every day to run gavel-to-gavel coverage of the dog-and-pony Congressional hearings.

And that everyone read a daily newspaper and 90% of the editorials called for Nixon’s ouster.

THAT is what it’s was like. No talk radio, no internet, no Fox News (such as it is) or any other alternatives.

They’ve lost their monopoly which allowed them to execute this plan against Nixon. Indeed Trump counters a lot of their moves pretty effectively with a Twitter account.


46 posted on 10/17/2019 12:25:29 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: Verginius Rufus
I think after the news about Iran-contra broke, some Democrats were hopeful that it could be used to remove President Reagan, but that went nowhere.

They did not remove Reagan, but in a lot of ways they did effectively end his Presidency with that. He immediately went into lame duck mode. Big plans he had for other initiatives (most importantly, and intriguing plan to defund the Left) got shelved.


47 posted on 10/17/2019 12:27:49 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: Ancesthntr

That’s very good.

It’s a real, true red pill to swallow that WATERGATE DOESN’T MAKE SENSE.

Since most of us alive at that time, and generations too young to remember how it was, the CIA and FBI lies were the only things that made it make sense, we believed them. Many still cling to them.

But I don’t, not any more. You can’t see the Ukraine from the grassy knoll, but if you let your imagination wander...


48 posted on 10/17/2019 12:27:51 PM PDT by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: Jim Noble

“But it IS very odd that it happened,”

Predictable after his outing all the communists.


49 posted on 10/17/2019 12:32:05 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: vigilence

While I agree emotionally with you, I think Pelosi’s and Schiff’s depravations will stand. Nixon v US a 9-0 decision gives each House complete control over its impeachment proceedings. In this case a federal judge from Miis. Nixon was impeached bt the House but tried not before the Senate, but before the Judiciary Committee, which fou d him guilty by less than 2/3 rds of the members a d reported its findings to the whole Senate wich voted by 2/3 rds to convict.


50 posted on 10/17/2019 12:35:28 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: Jim Noble

We will not go peacefully into the night!-)


51 posted on 10/17/2019 12:39:05 PM PDT by Harpotoo (Being a socialist is a lot easier than having to WORK like the rest of US:-))
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To: Verginius Rufus

That was the second effort they made...pretty lame one really.


52 posted on 10/17/2019 12:40:12 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast (It's the corruption, stupid)
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To: Jim Noble

the real story includes how SorozNazi and his evil cabal took over the DNC machine to run the ineligible O puppet in 2008

Pelousy was prima donna operative for them, too
(doctoring the Obama “eligibility” papers)

and soon, she will be rewarded I think, with the White House
as they get rid of PDJT and shove Mr. Pence aside by any means necessary


53 posted on 10/17/2019 12:42:20 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ( “Politicians are not , born; they are excreted.” Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: Tennessee Conservative

“I was reading about Watergate and read that it was two investigative reporters from the Washington Post that got it all started. It looks like they are still up to the same tricks. It worked once they figure it will work again but Trump isn’t Nixon.”

It was Mark Felt aka “Deep Throat”, a disgruntled FBI worker who was passed over as head of FBI when Hoover died. The case was going to be dropped after Nixon was re-elected, but Felt resurrected the case.


54 posted on 10/17/2019 12:42:48 PM PDT by euclid216
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To: euclid216

But Woodward was CIA (and there may have been other CIA involved).

It is the collaboration between the FBI (Felt, Comey, Mueller) and the CIA (Woodward, Brennan, Mifsud) to remove a President who threatens their power base that I find so striking.

EVEN IF Nixon committed crimes (and I no longer believe that to be true), his REAL crime was crushing George McGovern in the largest American landslide up to that point.

His gigantic landslide gave him power to make changes, and THAT is the reason he had to be stopped.


55 posted on 10/17/2019 12:48:39 PM PDT by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: euclid216

I remember that but where did the two WaPo reporters come in? I wish I could remember where I read it or maybe I saw it on TV. Senior moment.


56 posted on 10/17/2019 12:56:22 PM PDT by Tennessee Conservative
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To: DoodleDawg

After looking a the tens of thousands of Trump supporters gathering for the Trump Rally in Dallas, Texas, this evening....I would not want be a Democrat if their impeachment gig works and Trump is truly impeached by both the House and Senate!!!


57 posted on 10/17/2019 1:07:31 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX (Defeat both the Republican (e) & Democrat (e) political parties....Forever!!!)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX
After looking a the tens of thousands of Trump supporters gathering for the Trump Rally in Dallas, Texas, this evening....I would not want be a Democrat if their impeachment gig works and Trump is truly impeached by both the House and Senate!!!

The one thing these rallies accomplish is that they energize Trump and give him the strength to keep going on.

58 posted on 10/17/2019 1:18:16 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Tennessee Conservative

Bob Woodward was a CIA operative working at the Washington Post. He was Mark Felt’s conduit to put anti-Nixon information into the public eye.

Who was feeding who information is unknown.


59 posted on 10/17/2019 1:25:33 PM PDT by Jim Noble (There is nothing racist in stating plainly what most people already know)
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To: a fool in paradise

The left would have sought to impeach Nixon over his role in the McCarthy hearings, had he won in 1960.


60 posted on 10/17/2019 1:33:49 PM PDT by oblomov
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