Posted on 10/13/2019 11:13:13 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
If our NATO partner and ally by treaty Turkey is conducting genocide and war crimes against the Kurds, then perhaps we should call on all our NATO partners and allies to condemn Turkey?
We are currently committed by treaty to defend TURKEY, NOT the Kurds.
We could tear up the treaties with Turkey and NATO and then enter into a mutual defense treaty with Kurdistan, but then what will Russia and Iran do? Oh, wait, there is no country named Kurdistan.
This is the way world wars are started.
Nope not a shred of evidence about ISIS in Syria with McCain.
And I am sure you would agree that Iran had every intention to not pursue nuclear weapons development.
And I bet you think Iran has no ties to ISIS in Syria as well.
Thanks for your feedback. So illuminating!
Oh good grief!
Well keyboard commando, you threw out the spurious comment which is just as applicable to you as it is to others, and unless someone doxes every one on the forum it isn’t obvious who is who.
Live by the unsupported blanket statement, die by the unsupported blanket statement.
Let Russia do its thing.
Alot of Breaking News on Twitter. Hard to tell what’s true or not.
#BREAKING: I just got confirmation that on request of #SDF, #Russia has agreed to establish No fly-zone over NE #Syria to prevent #Turkish Air Force from bombing #SDF/ #YPG/ #Rojava. #RuAF’s Su-35S fighter interceptors left #Hmeimim Air Base to confront Turkish F-16C/Ds & F-4Es!
Yes, Turks have fairly recent experience with genocide in Armenia. That includes the Kurds who at the time were all Turks and who for the most part eagerly participated.
Are you saying the Kurds are not a part of the people in the area who have experience with genocide or what? What subgroup of the Turks do you have in mind?
Was that why WE went there? To help them build an independent nation and draw new borders for them? No that is NOT why we went there, and why we have no place defending their side bet ulterior motives that were NOT part of the mission. And which tribe will you hand it over too? The other tribe will just start a civil war for control and we will be right back where we started. There is no winning or positive outcome in this region ever.
In the meantime, we spend money and kill our own to attempt something that CANNOT be done within our own mission goals. They are setting the rules of engagement and we should never allow them to do this, or we will be there FOREVER.
Erdogan has been an untrustworthy thing since the get go.
The wienies in the EU were behind hem joining NATO.
Regardless, this is a smoke of war stuff.
Our work with the Kurds has been one of the most dollar successful military operations we have likely ever had, because 99.9% of the “boots on the ground” have been the Kurds with our support being mostly all special forces giving the kind of high level assistance they can provide.
We have lost a few valiant troops, regrettably. But the overwhelming casualties on “our side” have clearly been Kurdish fighters and Syrian civilians being protected by the Kurds.
I think in terms of casualties over all, there is now going to be a ton more casualties than if we had told Erdogan his entry into Syria would find all available forces we have behind the Kurds. That would have been enough to stop Erdogan and maintain the fairly stable status quo. The opposite was the careless green light he was waiting for from Trump. Erdogan did not deserve that green light.
He had already decided to ignore Trump and is buying SAM-400 missiles from Putin. That ought to be enough for all other NATO members to vote to have no further military participation with Turkey, without wasting time voting Turkey out of NATO. They can de facto vote Turkey out, by (a) how they vote in their own governments and (b) how they demand the secretary general of NATO act - excluding Turkey in its bodies.
“Iranian uranium ore product ain’t squat, credible back channels report that the Kurds have and have deployed nuclear hand grenades.”
Not credible. Uncredible arm chair spook rumor and innuendo.
There was a Kurdistan for three years though I don’t know if it was really named Kurdistan.
Treaty of Sèvres 1920 (Kurds get a country)
Treaty of Lausanne 1923 (kurds don’t get a country) renegotiation of the Treaty of Sèvres
The USA was not a signatory on either treaty.
France, Italy, UK, Greece, Turkey, Japan oddly enough and other Euro countries.
NATO countries other than the USA should be dealing with this, if anyone.
Turkey’s main problem is the PKK who are communists. Seems like we have our own communists(marxists, socialists etc) to worry about.
The prior president was a marxist and his head of CIA once voted for a communist for US president and his head of FBI “was” once a communist.
I think everyone in the Black Caucus are members of CPUSA. A lot of the dems are self proclaimed democratic socialists.
Antifa is global and there’s a global socialist/communist movement.
Two world wars, Korea, Vietnam and the cold war were all pretty much fighting socialism/communism and here we are today. Half the world is convinced that capitalism has done irreparable harm to the earth and that the only way to fix things is with ........ global socialism/communism.
Ask the Armenians if they (Turks) are capable of genocide.
“And I bet you think Iran has no ties to ISIS in Syria as well. “
That’s a product of a well-funded disinformation campaign by Turkey. It results from Turkey’s failed Sunni Islamic fundamentalist regime change agenda against Assad, which was linked to the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood. Since Iran is the Assad supporter Turkey tries to link the Kurds in Syria to Iran, to try to paint Turkey as the good guy, when all along it helped and supported ISIS in Syria.
Goes back to the early days cold war short and intermediate range nuke missile deployment.
Getting Turkey out of NATO would be good.
Getting the USA out of NATO and disbanding the whole circus would be even better.
Just read the Kurds have signed an alliance with Syria/Russia against Turkey...Iran has been silent so far.
We shouldn't have been there in the first place and the sooner we're out the better.
We are fighting both friend and foe from both sides of this. But morality and prudence does not profit the MIC. They sell to all sides of all conflicts without moral discretion or guilt.
Absolutely.
“I don’t think Article 5 means defending aggressor.“
I think the point is that between the Turks and the Kurds, only one side is our treaty-approved ally (hint: it is not the Kurds).
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