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Michael Mann Refuses To Produce Data, Loses (Hockey-Stick Libel) Case
Powerline Blog ^ | 24 Aug 2019 | JOHN HINDERAKER

Posted on 08/24/2019 7:17:25 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

Some years ago, Dr. Tim Ball wrote that climate scientist Michael Mann “belongs in the state pen, not Penn State.” At issue was Mann’s famous “hockey stick” graph that purported to show a sudden and unprecedented 20th century warming trend. The hockey stick featured prominently in the IPCC’s Third Assessment Report (2001), but has since been shown to be wrong. The question, in my view, is whether it was an innocent mistake or deliberate fraud on Mann’s part. (Mann, I believe, continues to assert the accuracy of his debunked graph.) Mann sued Ball for libel in 2011. Principia Scientific now reports that the court in British Columbia has dismissed Mann’s lawsuit with prejudice, and assessed costs against him.

What happened was that Dr. Ball asserted a truth defense. He argued that the hockey stick was a deliberate fraud, something that could be proved if one had access to the data and calculations, in particular the R2 regression analysis, underlying it. Mann refused to produce these documents. He was ordered to produce them by the court and given a deadline. He still refused to produce them, so the court dismissed his case.

The rules of discovery provide that a litigant must make available to opposing parties documents that reasonably bear on the issues in the case. Here, it is absurd for Mann to sue Ball for libel, and then refuse to produce the documents that would have helped to show whether Ball’s statement about him–he belongs in the state pen–was true or false. The logical inference is that the R2 regression analysis and other materials, if produced, would have supported Ball’s claim that the hockey stick was a deliberate fraud on Mann’s part.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: bloggers; climate; climatechange; fraud; globalwarminghoax; greennewdeal; hockeystick; michaelmann; pennstate; pennsylvania; science; timball
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1 posted on 08/24/2019 7:17:25 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Now WHY wouldn’t he want to product the data...thinking...still thinking...


2 posted on 08/24/2019 7:19:13 PM PDT by dp0622 (Bad, bad company Till the day I die.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3774141/posts


3 posted on 08/24/2019 7:23:14 PM PDT by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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He sued Mark Steyn too. Never heard how that turned out.


4 posted on 08/24/2019 7:25:14 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The entire greenhouse gas theory is nothing but hot air.

The source of all heat on earth, the Sun, determines the temperature.

Good luck regulating that.


5 posted on 08/24/2019 7:26:56 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Mann lost that case too.


6 posted on 08/24/2019 7:27:27 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It is still ongoing.


7 posted on 08/24/2019 7:28:42 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

YES! Steyn vindicated!

He needs to counter-sue for Gazillions!

These b@stards! So TIRED of them and their FAKE ‘science.’


8 posted on 08/24/2019 7:28:45 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (We come from the earth, we return to the earth, and in between we garden.~Alfred Austin)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Mann is more climate litigator than researcher. Who is backstopping all his legal fees?


9 posted on 08/24/2019 7:29:08 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

This wasn’t Steyn’s case. That’s still in litigation.


10 posted on 08/24/2019 7:29:36 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.")
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To: Lurkinanloomin
EXACTLY!


11 posted on 08/24/2019 7:31:42 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (We come from the earth, we return to the earth, and in between we garden.~Alfred Austin)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Thank you! ANY time Mann can take it in the SHORTS is FINE with me! :)


12 posted on 08/24/2019 7:33:01 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (We come from the earth, we return to the earth, and in between we garden.~Alfred Austin)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Michael Mann Parody video (hide the decline)

https://youtu.be/WMqc7PCJ-nc


13 posted on 08/24/2019 7:33:49 PM PDT by READINABLUESTATE (You cannot solidify control and power over people who are able to defend themselves.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

If you make up s#it in order to gain some benefit (like a grant, promotion, speaking fees, etc) that makes you a dishonest scumbag. But if you then sue someone for calling you a dishonest scumbag knowing that the evidence doesn’t exist to prove them wrong, that makes you a very dumb dishonest scumbag.


14 posted on 08/24/2019 7:34:38 PM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Great news!

“One TreeRing to rule them all, One TreeRing to find them, One TreeRing to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.”


15 posted on 08/24/2019 7:36:37 PM PDT by JPJones (More Tariffs, less income tax.)
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To: dp0622

“Now WHY wouldn’t he want to product the data...thinking...still thinking...”

Exactly!

If I had data that showed the end of the world was coming, I would be freely giving it out every chance I got.


16 posted on 08/24/2019 7:38:52 PM PDT by JPJones (More Tariffs, less income tax.)
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We can forestall global warming by 1,000 years. Just buy (or rent) Greenland, mine the ice, and dump it in the parts of the ocean that are warming

...(or at least pack it around the various temperature monitoring stations of the world)

Put THAT in your hockey stick, Michael Mann, and sit on it.


17 posted on 08/24/2019 7:39:06 PM PDT by Oscar in Batangas (winnning with flair)
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To: JPJones

Yep.

And did no one ask for the data at the time before taking it as gospel?

Well yeah, come to think of it, that’s what communists and fascists do.

They make things up and rewrite history and science and anything else to fit their agenda.


18 posted on 08/24/2019 7:42:28 PM PDT by dp0622 (Bad, bad company Till the day I die.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

from Steyn’s web site Aug 24

https://www.steynonline.com/9663/end-of-the-peer-show


19 posted on 08/24/2019 7:45:38 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( Use Comey's Report, Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: JPJones

I absolutely can’t stand smarmy narcissistic people like Mann. He’s a perfect example of the type of person whose mother told him he was special, and who got pushed to go to an Ivy. Some of the dumbest, most destructive people in society are products of this same type of background. I know tons of postdocs who are brighter and more trustworthy than this clown. That he has any stature at all in US and world science is testimony to how far science has fallen.


20 posted on 08/24/2019 7:48:12 PM PDT by neverevergiveup
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