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Shroud of Turin: New Test Concludes 1988 ‘Medieval Hoax’ Dating Was a Fraud
Townhall.com ^ | July 21, 2019 | Myrah Kahn Adams

Posted on 07/21/2019 6:56:03 AM PDT by Kaslin

Important news about the Shroud of Turin, believed by millions to be the authentic burial cloth of Jesus Christ, has been flagrantly under-reported.

Nevertheless, the lack of mainstream media interest does not diminish landmark new research contesting the results of the controversial 1988 radiocarbon test that dated the Shroud between the years 1260 and 1390. 

Immediately after those dates were cited three decades ago, and to this day, the Shroud has been tainted, maligned, disparaged and denigrated while wedded to the descriptions “not authentic,” a “forgery” or “medieval hoax.” 

Meanwhile, the medieval date range is still continuously questioned and debunked by scientists and experts. The chief complaint is that the three small Shroud test samples were cut from the same outer edge on a piece of the cloth long thought to have been added later in the Middle Ages. This would have been part of a repair or reweave on a corner that had become worn and frayed due to frequent handling when the Shroud was held up for public exhibition. In fact, this theory was proven correct in 2005 by American chemist Raymond N. Rogers.

Thankfully now there is a new chapter in the 1988 dating debate. Raw data and documents from the original test that were “unavailable” (many scientists and researchers would say deliberately “hidden”) were obtained in 2017 by Tristan Casabianca, a French researcher.

In March, after two years of tests and analysis, Casabianca and his team of scientists published their results in the scholarly journal Archaeometry.

This month, in an interview with the French publication L'Homme Nouveau (Google translates into English), Casabianca discusses how he obtained the documents, his team’s methodology, and conclusion. Here is an excerpt:

“In 1989, the results of the shroud dating were published in the prestigious journal Nature: between 1260 and 1390 with 95% certainty. But for thirty years, researchers have asked the laboratories for raw data. These have always refused to provide them. In 2017, I submitted a legal request to the British Museum, which supervised the laboratories. Thus, I had access to hundreds of unpublished pages, which include these raw data. With my team, we conducted their analysis. Our statistical analysis shows that the 1988 carbon 14 dating was unreliable: the tested samples are obviously heterogeneous, [showing many different dates], and there is no guarantee that all these samples, taken from one end of the sheet, are representative of the whole fabric. It is therefore impossible to conclude that the shroud of Turin dates from the Middle Ages.”

Here is why Casabianca’s conclusions are important to someone like me.

Since the 1990s, I have been a proponent of the study of the Shroud of Turin — a 14.5- by-3.5-foot linen cloth, and indeed believe it is the authentic burial Shroud of Jesus Christ. 

Meanwhile, the Shroud continues to be the most studied and analyzed artifact in the world, with its numerous unexplained properties continuing to baffle modern science. Chief among the mysteries is what “caused” a linear, front to back, anatomically correct, blood-stained image of a tortured, crucified man — with bodily markings that perfectly align with all the Biblical accounts of Christ’s suffering and death — to appear on the cloth. 



TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; christianity; forgery; jesuschrist; medievalfake; sameoldtiredbs; shroud; shroudofturin
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To: Jamestown1630
Uh-huh. Explain to me again how Larry Summers got fired from the Presidency of Harvard...

(You're only allowed to be honest if the SJW warriors don't happen to notice that what your doing makes them look bad or contradicts their dogma.)

141 posted on 07/23/2019 4:20:37 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Jamestown1630

“This is a wildly extreme and very ignorant statement.”

It’s ignorant and extreme to deny it. You sound like a RINO politician prattling about “reaching across the aisle.”

Further, you’re not even trying to refute what I actually said. You’re pretending I said that all *scientists* are corrupt, because that’s less reasonable than what I actually said. Dishonest.


142 posted on 07/23/2019 4:21:43 PM PDT by dsc (Our system of government cannot survive one-party control of communications.)
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To: Oatka
The Voynich Manuscript

The Voynich Manuscript has been translated just recently. Voynich Manuscript Is Solved And This Time It’s Academic.

It uses an extinct language. Its alphabet is a combination of unfamiliar and more familiar symbols. It includes no dedicated punctuation marks, although some letters have symbol variants to indicate punctuation or phonetic accents. All of the letters are in lower case and there are no double consonants. It includes diphthong, triphthongs, quadriphthongs and even quintiphthongs for the abbreviation of phonetic components. It also includes some words and abbreviations in Latin.

In his peer-reviewed paper, The Language and Writing System of MS408 (Voynich) Explained , published in the journal Romance Studies , Cheshire describes how he successfully deciphered the manuscript's codex and, at the same time, revealed the only known example of proto-Romance language.

Cheshire explained in the press release :

It is also no exaggeration to say this work represents one of the most important developments to date in Romance linguistics. The manuscript is written in proto-Romance - ancestral to today's Romance languages including Portuguese, Spanish, French, Italian, Romanian, Catalan and Galician. The language used was ubiquitous in the Mediterranean during the Medieval period, but it was seldom written in official or important documents because Latin was the language of royalty, church and government. As a result, proto-Romance was lost from the record, until now.

. . .

I experienced a series of 'eureka' moments whilst deciphering the code, followed by a sense of disbelief and excitement when I realized the magnitude of the achievement, both in terms of its linguistic importance and the revelations about the origin and content of the manuscript.

What it reveals is even more amazing than the myths and fantasies it has generated. For example, the manuscript was compiled by Dominican nuns as a source of reference for Maria of Castile, Queen of Aragon, who happens to have been great aunt to Catherine of Aragon.

143 posted on 07/23/2019 4:45:19 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: dsc

Who do you think inhabits ‘research labs’, if not scientists?

You were referencing the work of scientists to start with, and conflating all of them with what some ‘weaselly’ ones might have done with regard to the subject at hand.


144 posted on 07/23/2019 4:47:29 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it")
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To: grey_whiskers
And motive and opportunity have already been amply demonstrated.

Not the motive.

145 posted on 07/23/2019 5:23:08 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: Jamestown1630

“Who do you think inhabits ‘research labs’, if not scientists?”

When you indignantly asserted the existence of many honest scientists, you accused me of having denied it. Which, of course, was your intent.

“You were referencing the work of scientists to start with, and conflating all of them with what some ‘weaselly’ ones might have done with regard to the subject at hand.”

Road apples. I don’t use nouns as verbs, conflated nothing, and if I had used the word ‘weaselly,’ I would have spelled it correctly.

If you can’t manifest a scintilla of intellectual honesty, then take it on the arches.


146 posted on 07/23/2019 5:29:57 PM PDT by dsc (Our system of government cannot survive one-party control of communications.)
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To: semimojo
The gleefulness at the time; in addition, the failure to adhere to undergrad standards is hard to account for (at all labs at the same time) by any other hypothesis.

I hope you're not in California, cuz straws are illegal there. Stop grasping at them.

147 posted on 07/23/2019 5:34:09 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Economics is considered a social science - and that’s where a lot of the mess is. In the current instance, we were discussing ‘harder’ sciences.

As I wrote, there’s a lot of freaky stuff going on in Universities. That doesn’t mean that there are not a lot of solid scientists doing honest work - which is the point I was making against dsc’s statement that ‘every research lab is rotten to the core’.


148 posted on 07/23/2019 5:43:05 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it")
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To: dsc

LOL!

You can’t seem to stay on point - and I’m too busy to play any longer tonight.

G’Nite!


149 posted on 07/23/2019 5:44:38 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it")
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To: Swordmaker

Thank you for your sources and input.

Did not care either way before, but your posts has piqued my interests.


150 posted on 07/23/2019 6:02:50 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: grey_whiskers
The gleefulness at the time; in addition, the failure to adhere to undergrad standards is hard to account for (at all labs at the same time) by any other hypothesis.

I think our standards for “amply demonstrated” are different.

151 posted on 07/23/2019 6:18:42 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: semimojo
The mistakes, committed independently by three different labs, were so egregious, as to foreclose any credibility that they were done in ignorance or good faith.

As I said, freshman level chemists know better than that.

152 posted on 07/23/2019 6:55:54 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: Jamestown1630

The only point here was your dishonesty. But you are correct that there is no point in belaboring the obvious.


153 posted on 07/23/2019 7:13:20 PM PDT by dsc (Our system of government cannot survive one-party control of communications.)
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To: Swordmaker

Thanks for the update, and a tip ‘o the derby to Mr. Cheshire. That was one helluva accomplishment. Many threw up their hands and said it was just gibberish, which I didn’t believe for a moment.


154 posted on 07/23/2019 7:21:48 PM PDT by Oatka
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To: dsc

Here: play with this. It’s been improving over the years, but even in its primitive state, it was more logical than you are:

http://www.jabberwacky.com/


155 posted on 07/23/2019 7:42:02 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it")
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To: rollo tomasi
Thank you for your sources and input.

Did not care either way before, but your posts has piqued my interests.

You’re welcome. Piquing your interesting is what starts the process of learning more.

156 posted on 07/23/2019 8:13:30 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: Jamestown1630

You seem to be about 30 IQ points short of “smart enough to apply logic to evidence and arrive at correct conclusions.”

I say this because my posts have contained assertions of fact rather than logical arguments, yet you scold me for improper use of logic.

Don’t even know it when you see it.


157 posted on 07/24/2019 1:11:37 AM PDT by dsc (Our system of government cannot survive one-party control of communications.)
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To: Poison Pill

White guy? There’s no indication of skin color, since the image is a black & white negative. Nordic? The face has a long, classically Jewish, nose...hardly Nordic.

No one can explain how the image was put on the cloth....All the scientific/historic investigation—other than the carbon testing on the patch—points to a 1st Century, Palestine, origin.


158 posted on 07/24/2019 7:16:23 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (Real life is ANALOG!!!)
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To: Swordmaker; grey_whiskers

The image lies on the top one-thousandth of an inch of the linen fibrils - same as the depth of a bacterium. By the way, can’t be a scorch, either. Even a light scorch would go all the way through the fibrils.


159 posted on 07/25/2019 10:42:42 AM PDT by Nabber
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To: Swordmaker; semimojo; grey_whiskers

After all that talk of statistics, let’s consider the statement of Dr.Christopher Ramsey, Current Head of the Oxford Carbon-14 Lab, and Original Member of the Oxford Lab 1988 Carbon-14 Test Group: “There is a lot of other evidence that suggests that the Shroud is older than the radiocarbon dates allow, and so further research is certainly needed.”


160 posted on 07/25/2019 10:51:05 AM PDT by Nabber
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