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Shroud of Turin: New Test Concludes 1988 ‘Medieval Hoax’ Dating Was a Fraud
Townhall.com ^ | July 21, 2019 | Myrah Kahn Adams

Posted on 07/21/2019 6:56:03 AM PDT by Kaslin

Important news about the Shroud of Turin, believed by millions to be the authentic burial cloth of Jesus Christ, has been flagrantly under-reported.

Nevertheless, the lack of mainstream media interest does not diminish landmark new research contesting the results of the controversial 1988 radiocarbon test that dated the Shroud between the years 1260 and 1390. 

Immediately after those dates were cited three decades ago, and to this day, the Shroud has been tainted, maligned, disparaged and denigrated while wedded to the descriptions “not authentic,” a “forgery” or “medieval hoax.” 

Meanwhile, the medieval date range is still continuously questioned and debunked by scientists and experts. The chief complaint is that the three small Shroud test samples were cut from the same outer edge on a piece of the cloth long thought to have been added later in the Middle Ages. This would have been part of a repair or reweave on a corner that had become worn and frayed due to frequent handling when the Shroud was held up for public exhibition. In fact, this theory was proven correct in 2005 by American chemist Raymond N. Rogers.

Thankfully now there is a new chapter in the 1988 dating debate. Raw data and documents from the original test that were “unavailable” (many scientists and researchers would say deliberately “hidden”) were obtained in 2017 by Tristan Casabianca, a French researcher.

In March, after two years of tests and analysis, Casabianca and his team of scientists published their results in the scholarly journal Archaeometry.

This month, in an interview with the French publication L'Homme Nouveau (Google translates into English), Casabianca discusses how he obtained the documents, his team’s methodology, and conclusion. Here is an excerpt:

“In 1989, the results of the shroud dating were published in the prestigious journal Nature: between 1260 and 1390 with 95% certainty. But for thirty years, researchers have asked the laboratories for raw data. These have always refused to provide them. In 2017, I submitted a legal request to the British Museum, which supervised the laboratories. Thus, I had access to hundreds of unpublished pages, which include these raw data. With my team, we conducted their analysis. Our statistical analysis shows that the 1988 carbon 14 dating was unreliable: the tested samples are obviously heterogeneous, [showing many different dates], and there is no guarantee that all these samples, taken from one end of the sheet, are representative of the whole fabric. It is therefore impossible to conclude that the shroud of Turin dates from the Middle Ages.”

Here is why Casabianca’s conclusions are important to someone like me.

Since the 1990s, I have been a proponent of the study of the Shroud of Turin — a 14.5- by-3.5-foot linen cloth, and indeed believe it is the authentic burial Shroud of Jesus Christ. 

Meanwhile, the Shroud continues to be the most studied and analyzed artifact in the world, with its numerous unexplained properties continuing to baffle modern science. Chief among the mysteries is what “caused” a linear, front to back, anatomically correct, blood-stained image of a tortured, crucified man — with bodily markings that perfectly align with all the Biblical accounts of Christ’s suffering and death — to appear on the cloth. 



TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; christianity; forgery; jesuschrist; medievalfake; sameoldtiredbs; shroud; shroudofturin
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1 posted on 07/21/2019 6:56:03 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

This has been discussed at length by Father Spitzer several differ times this past year on EWTN ...


2 posted on 07/21/2019 6:58:03 AM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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To: Kaslin

The 3D image that was burned instantaneously has yet to be duplicated...even with 21st century technology.


3 posted on 07/21/2019 7:06:30 AM PDT by newfreep ("INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - DAVID HOROWITZ)
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To: newfreep

As an aside, during a business trip to Italy, my host & I had dinner in downtown Turin. Afterwards, we walked by “the church” and the feeling was unbelievable - quite powerful.


4 posted on 07/21/2019 7:08:36 AM PDT by newfreep ("INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - DAVID HOROWITZ)
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To: Kaslin

I went to a three day conference on the Shroud hosted by eminent scientists who showed the Shroud could not have been a fraud perpetrated by medieval artists. They said the carbon dating was made from a repair made in the 13th. or so century and not from the Shroud itself. I am fully convinced it is true.


5 posted on 07/21/2019 7:17:12 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Kaslin

That thing cracks me up every time I see it. 6’ 2” Nordic looking white guy in 1st Century Judea? Yeah right.


6 posted on 07/21/2019 7:18:29 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: newfreep
My night time photo of the Church of the Shroud...certainly not my best quality.

I recall Turin was a large city with exceptionally wide sidewalks in the downtown area.


7 posted on 07/21/2019 7:19:05 AM PDT by newfreep ("INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - DAVID HOROWITZ)
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To: Kaslin

Idol (and idle) worship.

It does not matter if the shroud is real or fake.


8 posted on 07/21/2019 7:21:10 AM PDT by TheZMan (I am a secessionist.)
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To: Poison Pill

For you doubters, see my post #3


9 posted on 07/21/2019 7:21:44 AM PDT by newfreep ("INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - DAVID HOROWITZ)
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To: Kaslin

I am sure the difference between veneration and worship will come up. I like to use the term historical artifact.

I wonder if the Vatican has tried to “clone” the blood. You know that’s a novel somewhere on a publishers desk.


10 posted on 07/21/2019 7:25:25 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If we get Medicare for all, will we have to show IDs for service?)
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To: Kaslin
We've always known it was fake. The fake shroud is one piece. The ancients starting using such as the fabric became scarce. But prior to that they used two pieces: one for the head and one for the body. The latter is what our Lord had.

John 20:6-7: Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

11 posted on 07/21/2019 7:28:46 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: Kaslin

...’to those that believe on proof is necessary, to those that don’t believe, no proof is possible’...


12 posted on 07/21/2019 7:28:56 AM PDT by exPBRrat (.)
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To: Kaslin
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13 posted on 07/21/2019 7:29:15 AM PDT by infool7 (Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
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To: Poison Pill

First the figure is NOT 6”2”, Second the “negative”image of the face has been distorted to the naked eye do to whatever process took place to create it.

Artists (3 in particular)have spent hundreds of hours creating what the actual face that created the image would likely look like and none bear much resemblance to the “negative image”


14 posted on 07/21/2019 7:33:07 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Poison Pill; Kaslin; _Jim; newfreep
The Church has long held that the Shroud is an aid to devout veneration, in bringing Our Crucified Lord graphically to our minds --- whether it is an authentic relic or an artist's depiction.

I stand by this point of view. In the Fall of 1933 the Shroud was publicly displayed in the Cathedral of Turin. One of the people who saw it was Hans Scholl, a 15-year-old German vacationing in Italy. His bio says that Scholl was deeply moved by this "real icon" of Christ and the evidence of His grievous death for the salvation of the world.

School returned to Germany, quit the Hitler Youth to which head briefly belonged, and within 10 years died a martyr's death as the leader of the anti-Hitler Resistance. He was beheaded in Munich's Stedelheim Prison in 1943.

I don't say the Shroud "caused" his heroism. The enlightenment of souls in a mystery in the hands of God. But I would say that anything God uses that stirs the heart, strengthens the Faith, and turns a person away from the path of death, is--- well, a good thing. A very good thing.

Amen?

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15 posted on 07/21/2019 7:33:59 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Let us commend ourselves, and one another, and our whole life, unto Christ Our God.")
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To: Poison Pill

“6’ 2” Nordic looking white guy in 1st Century Judea?”

You have a very vivid imagination. You should consider a creative writing class.


16 posted on 07/21/2019 7:37:12 AM PDT by romanesq (For George Soros so loved the world, he gave us Obama.)
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To: Kaslin

There is a shroud of Turin for one reason....... to increase the take in the offering plates


17 posted on 07/21/2019 7:39:09 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12)There were Democrat espionage operations on Republican candidates)
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To: romanesq
You have a very vivid imagination. You should consider a creative writing class.

Hard to top the shroud crowd in the imagination dept.

18 posted on 07/21/2019 7:39:17 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The Church has long held that the Shroud is an aid to devout veneration, in bringing Our Crucified Lord graphically to our minds

That's a completely reasonable and productive way to approach it imo.

19 posted on 07/21/2019 7:41:59 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: romanesq

He doesn’t look Jewish, period.


20 posted on 07/21/2019 7:43:54 AM PDT by Zenjitsuman ( p)
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