Shroud of Turin: New Test Concludes 1988 ‘Medieval Hoax’ Dating Was a Fraud

Townhall.com ^ | July 21, 2019 | Myrah Kahn Adams

[Cowboy Bob]

That thing cracks me up every time I see it. 6’ 2” Nordic looking white guy in 1st Century Judea? Yeah right.

Jesus is the son of God. Maybe he took after his father, who looks like a 6'2" Nordic white guy?

[Jim Pelosi]

1st century jews probably didn’t have paste white skin, big noses and shifty eyes like modern Brooklyn jews. Makes one wonder....

[Rock N Jones]

Well the face on the Shroud looks very Jewish to me. Not a white guy?
He was a Jew what would expect him to be? All the Jews I know look very white to me. Now of course the Shroud image does not appear as one with pale skin, blue eyes and blond hair and neither do all whiteys have blond hair, blue eyes and fair complexion.

[Campion]

How do you get “Nordic-looking” out of the Shroud image? There’s no information there about eye or hair color.

[Mrs. Don-o]

The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not “Eureka” but “Hmmm...that’s funny...” —Isaac Asimov (1920–1992)

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Romanesq: "...they still can’t replicate or explain The Shroud notwithstanding the latest scientific evidence brought forth.."

Poison Pill: That thing gets replicated all the time

Poison Pill, with all due respect, re-read what romanesq wrote. It was not that artists' renditions, photos and prints have not been made --- there have been probably tens of thousands of copies, I have one on my fridge --- but the point is that the Shroud (itself) has not been replicated: a length of linen cloth with the Shroud's distinctive physical and chemical characteristics.

There is no sizing in the cloth, there are no underdrawings, no brush-strokes, and the image itself has more the characteristics of a scorch, not penetrating the cloth past 2 microfibers depth.

Here's where the Isaac Asimov axiom comes in. The really significant scientific discoveries are not ones that were anticipated or expected. "Hmm. That's funny..."

The image itself is almost invisible to the naked eye (strange that money-grubbing "marketers" and "forgers" wouldn't do better and use some primitive permanent magic marker on the main points, eh?) and only becomes quite visible with a photographic negative.

Further, the picture only really jumps out at you when you analyze the depth-perception aspects, whereby the distance from the burial sheet to the corpse varies slightly based on the concavities and convexities, the "topography" of the body.

The rational mind itself tells you that there's something here you didn't foresee, and something behind it that you cannot see. That's all. It leads you to an honest agnosticism.

Then you go from "What?" to "Why?" and finally to "Who?"

And the honest empirical inquirer is drawn from "Eureka" to "That's funny" to...consider this as a hypothesis ... "OMG".

[Ciaphas Cain]

The napkin may be present and accounted for. The Sudarium of Oviedo kept in Spain has blood stains of the same type as the blood found on the Shroud of Turin. And apparently the stains match up with each other, as if they were used on the same individual.

[semimojo]

New Test Concludes 1988 ‘Medieval Hoax’ Dating Was a Fraud

The analysis says nothing about fraud, only that carbon 14 dating procedures were less reliable in 1988.

Why do you think Myrah felt the need to misrepresent the findings?

[sparklite2]

...’to those that believe on proof is necessary, to those that don’t believe, no proof is possible’...

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“...You can’t reason someone out of something
they weren’t reasoned into...”

[romanesq]

“Poison Pill: That thing gets replicated all the time.”

No one today can replicate The Shroud, point in fact.
So, people can replicate many aspects just not the actual shroud itself.

The Shroud is not and has not been duplicated. This is science, not wishful thinking, hate or any number of doubters who would like to explain it away.

Neither can you.

[TalBlack]

When you identify and compensate for the distortions inherent in the transferred image He not only looks Jewish but He resembles Orthodox whom I know.

[Swordmaker]

A new peer-reviewed scientific review of the 1988 Carbon14 test raw data which has been finally forced to be released under a lawsuit, was recently published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal “Archeometrics” (name translated from the French). The article after analyzing that raw data found, with 95% confidence, that the sample tested in 1988, although taken from the Shroud, was heterogenous, or not from a single source, and as such could not be considered representative of the object from which it was taken. It could NOT follow that any conclusion about the age of that object being tested could be made from that sample, yet they made that conclusion anyway, and did so conclusively.

I have posted numerous proofs of this on FR over the past two decades, but this is the first that has actually used the actual real data from the original data from the original organizing laboratory, Oxford University, and the repository of the data, the British Museum. For thirty years, they’ve stonewalled attempts by researchers to see the actual raw data and it has taken a lawsuit to get at these raw data. Why? Obviously they knew these data did not support their gleeful conclusions. Shroud of Turin PING!

NEW STUDY INVALIDATES
1988 CARBON 14 TEST
SHROUD OF TURIN PING!

If you want on or off the Shroud of Turin Ping List, Freepmail me.

[CurlyDave]

The 3D image that was burned instantaneously has yet to be duplicated...even with 21st century technology.

Give me a reference to a 21st century experiment that started by scourging and crucifying a man...

[bert]

Hokus pokus...... domi nokus

Amen

[Swordmaker]

That thing cracks me up every time I see it. 6’ 2” Nordic looking white guy in 1st Century Judea? Yeah right.

Uh, no, it is not 6’2” . . . The image on the Shroud, is well within the normal height range of 1st Century Jewish men as surveyed by a census of a 1st Century Jerusalem cemetery, at 5’10” tall. That 6’2” figure was based on a skeptic’s measurement of the distance measured on the cloth from the tip of a downward facing toe to the top of the crown of the head, not a distance calculated from the heel (which does not change much when the foot flexes) to the crown, to the top of the head. The average height of the male skeletons found in the 1st Century Jewish cemetery was 5 feet 8 ¼”” . . . The average height of an American Male is 5’ 8 ⅜”, just ⅛” taller, yet there are many American males who are more than 5’ 10” or more in height.

Nor is the image “Nordic.” The genotype is, according to experts in the area, what is termed today, a “high noble Arab” or “Sephardic Jew,” of which about 30% of the population of Judea were composed. The face on the Shroud appears narrower than it actually is, as there are two bands of darker linen running parallel to the body on either side of the center line. This has the effect of making the face appear thinner, or gaunter, than the person would have appeared in real life. Your assumption of a Nordic appearance is a construct of your mind due to the “negative” appearance of the black and white images the display takes on when shown of the “positive” the image has in reality. The reversed color of the B&W images give the mistaken impression of light colored hair, which prejudices the mind toward blond colored hair. There actually is no color data at all on the Shroud about the man it covered, except for the blood.

The image, after normalizing the media (the linen) for color aberration, using a computer to reconstruct the person the image was made from, using the 3D data encoded in the Shroud, along with the stochastic data, and the genotype studies, result in the following obviously non-Nordic result:

[Mrs. Don-o]

Good on you for accurately parodying a ranting bigot. I could not have done it nearly so well.

[Swordmaker]

I wonder if the Vatican has tried to “clone” the blood. You know that’s a novel somewhere on a publishers desk.

It’s already been written. . . I’ve got it in my Apple Books library waiting to be read. Can’t remember the name.

In reality, the DNA is too badly damaged with age to clone. It’s fragmentary. Blood Type is AB, rare in most of the world, but more common in the Middle East. It matches the blood type on the Sudarium of Oviedo, as does the fragmentary DNA, which has a known, provable, documented provenance going back to the 6th Century with an oral tradition going back further.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I think this - #49 was meant for Poison Pill.

[grey_whiskers]

He doesn’t look Jewish, period.

This wasn't a paid advertisement for Glamour Shots.

I heard the makeup regimen in this case fell short of its usual standards too.

[grey_whiskers]

You assume the signs left for the doubting Thomas types aren’t actually distractions that will lead to their 2nd death. I try to not make assumptions because I’m imposing my will on God.

Uh huh. Which is why you traveled all the way over to a dedicated thread just to piss on it.