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Pfizer 'deliberately buried' data showing its arthritis drug might also prevent Alzheimer's (trunc)
daily mail ^ | 6/5/2019 | SAM BLANCHARD SENIOR HEALTH REPORTER FOR MAILONLINE

Posted on 06/05/2019 10:33:08 AM PDT by RummyChick

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To: Veto!

Agree. Drugs are for continued treatment not to cure the problem. No money in that.


41 posted on 06/05/2019 11:13:05 AM PDT by Gahanna Bob
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To: Rocko Jack

Exactly!

Folks are looking for something to ding another pharmaceutical company for, and have fallen for this story line.

No company is going to take a pass on mushrooming sales figures across the nation/world.

Corporations are ravenous to see increased profits.


42 posted on 06/05/2019 11:13:29 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Can I get a shout out for the person(s) who donated $2,000.00 from France? Thanks so much! Wow!)
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To: Rocko Jack

“Why would a drug company hide a potential market?”

Simple. As an anti-inflammatory, they can earn $1 billion per year on the drug. But, as a preventative for Alzheimers, they can earn $10 billion per year or $100 billion per year on the same drug.

They need to figure out how to tune it specifically to Alzheimers then figure out how to make it a separate product to earn the $10 billion. And make sure people don’t figure out they can use the cheaper anti-inflammatory to achieve the same or nearly-same results on Alzheimers.


43 posted on 06/05/2019 11:15:09 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: DannyTN

:: They were confused (They have alzeimer’s) ::

You have won the internet! Congrats, bruh.


44 posted on 06/05/2019 11:17:24 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (No dolphins were harmed in the making of this post. They enjoyed the rough handling.)
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To: rxsid; JMS
The blood brain barrier blocks 100% of large molecule drugs from penetrating into the brain. Enbrel is a large molecule drug.

It won’t work. It’s that simple

45 posted on 06/05/2019 11:18:01 AM PDT by onona (It is often wise to allow a person a graceful path.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Therein lies the problem.

If the patent expires then others come in cheaper. Patients jerry rig generic it to fit the Alzeihmer’s dosage.


46 posted on 06/05/2019 11:18:34 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
I don’t like taking drugs and try to stay off them. But I might rethink it it since I could probably qualify due to a psoriasis patch on my leg.

I believe Enbrel is an immunity-suppressing drug. Since certain diseases are auto-immune disorders, like psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis, Enbrel suppresses your immune system so it cannot attack you and cause those symptoms. However, in doing so, it leaves you open to other diseases that your immune system routinely fights off. This is why they have warnings that "certain cancers, like lymphoma" can result from taking it.

I have an auto-immune disorder called Grave's Disease. One doctor suggested that I take Enbrel to reduce the swelling of my proptotic eyes (which required several surgeries). I demurred on Enbrel because of the side effect warnings.

This brings up the question: is Alzheimer's an auto-immune disease?

47 posted on 06/05/2019 11:18:43 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (If it weren't for fake hate crimes, there would be no hate crimes at all.)
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To: tired&retired

Beer does the opposite.


48 posted on 06/05/2019 11:19:01 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (No dolphins were harmed in the making of this post. They enjoyed the rough handling.)
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To: DannyTN

Good list. See my #43 where I postulated your last bullet. The last thing they want is people taking an anti-inflammatory drug to prevent Alzheimers that earns them $1B per year when they could tweak or tune the formulation a bit, make it a separate product, and earn them 10X or 100X that amount.

Your fifth bullet gave me a good laugh — “They were confused (They have alzeimer’s)” LOL.


49 posted on 06/05/2019 11:19:14 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: RummyChick

Actually what they found is that people who remembered to take their Enbrel daily were 64% less likely to have alzheimer’s

;)


50 posted on 06/05/2019 11:19:23 AM PDT by edwinland
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To: rxsid

Easy.......1500.00 per month.cost......i used it for Psoriatic arthritis... not drug companies..... insurance companies


51 posted on 06/05/2019 11:20:51 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Communists Need To Be Eliminated)
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To: RummyChick
This analysis is based on what is called "happenstance data".

If the two groups (Alzheimer's and non-Alzheimers) were not controlled for all other variables (for instance, age) then the results are meaningless.

This is the problem called "hidden variables" or "confounding factors".

52 posted on 06/05/2019 11:21:16 AM PDT by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the far North)
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To: onona

Since I am not a Dr I really dont know what I am talking about. What I will say is that even Dr’s don’t know.

Too much is unknown.

for example, Adam10 might be why Enbrel or another drug might work

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/12/141208093246.htm


53 posted on 06/05/2019 11:22:48 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Zathras

Excellent application of one of the First Principles of Engineering Economics — “sunk costs don’t matter one bit to your current decision.”

Emotionally, that is very hard to do. “Yes, but I spent SO MUCH already, just a little bit more and I KNOW we’ll be successful.”

The historical product development funnel is always true:
* 1/10 of what goes into fundamental research proceeds to the applied research.
* 1/10 of what goes into applied research proceeds to product development.
* 1/10 of what goes into product development proceeds to market introduction.
* 1/10 of newly introduced products succeed in the market and make big money.


54 posted on 06/05/2019 11:24:10 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Sans-Culotte

I think if I started showing signs I would take the risk. I probably wouldn’t at this point due to side effects...which is why I try to stay off drugs.


55 posted on 06/05/2019 11:24:50 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Evidence the drug might work was found in 2015. Patent was going to run out in 2018. Thanks to big government, the cost would be too great in time and money to do clinical trials.The low ratio of benefits to costs to the company would have made the decision to do the trials irrational.


56 posted on 06/05/2019 11:25:36 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: sima_yi
...the problem called "hidden variables" or "confounding factors".

Sounds like this was at work in the coup and FISA warrants.

57 posted on 06/05/2019 11:26:41 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Sans-Culotte

I believe you are in good company.
Marty Feldman and Abraham Lincoln, IIRC. and my old boss-lady. She was so good that I actually miss working for her.


58 posted on 06/05/2019 11:31:26 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (No dolphins were harmed in the making of this post. They enjoyed the rough handling.)
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To: RummyChick

It isn’t that easy. Just because a drug has shown accidental positive feedback doesn’t get it legal for that purpose. There are so many hoops to jump through with the FDA and the AMA that it would have extended the production and use of the drug for years possibly even if the drug interaction was positive. I have little doubt that the FDA would have stopped the production of the drug if Pfizer had told them it did something other than what they were approved to determine that wasn’t dangerous (so far). And that would have increased both the time to get it approved onto the market and raised the cost possibly double.

rwood


59 posted on 06/05/2019 11:33:50 AM PDT by Redwood71
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To: joe fonebone

Same way insulin here costs ten times what it costs in Canada. A three-hour round trip from home and no prescription required. Guess where my wife shops?


60 posted on 06/05/2019 11:34:24 AM PDT by beelzepug (OCD and proud of it!)
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