Posted on 10/10/2018 9:00:43 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
"Today felt very much like an update of the 1850s: Two very distinct parts of U.S. that no longer care to even fake that they respect or value the other," wrote Ron Brownstein.
But should the idea of the U.S. amicably breaking apart scare us? Maybe it should be welcomed and vigorously debated.
Michael Malice, the author of cultural commentarys, pointed out in a 2016 Observer article that the United States has "never been united culturally." Which made him question our determination to remain united politically.
"The real conundrum," he wrote, "is why two cultures should attempt to move forward as one unit when they are increasingly diverging in their world views -- and never had the same worldview to begin with."
(Malice posited this argument chiefly in terms of so-called urban elites looking down on "flyover country." "It's long past time to allow Kansans to live as they see fit, regardless of how wrongheaded they may sound -- instead of wondering 'What's the Matter with Kansas?' True, a house divided against itself cannot stand. But some houses don't need to remain standing at all."
Let's let Kansans be Kansans.
Keep in mind: Thanks in part to the "Great Compromise of 1787," the Founding Fathers set up the U.S. political system in such a way as to potentially frustrate the desires of the majority of the people and reward a resolute and united minority.
"The plan," the Washington Times wrote earlier this month, "is to convince 25 of the 31 Republican-held [state] legislatures to pass 'consent to secede' resolutions, then place the question before California voters in the form of a ballot measure, instead of vice versa."
Stated California secession campaigner Louis Marinelli: "We are going to rely on the deep hatred for California that exists in red America."
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Una volta famiglia, sempre famiglia
The solution is really simple. We must go back to true Constitutional Law as originally defined. Each Republic State can see fit to define its own laws so long as they do not violate The Constitution.
Per the Tenth Amendment:
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people”
Our present turmoil is the result of the disregard of the Tenth Amendment. This disregard is a direct result of an activist Judaical system that has become a defacto legislative body.
Let each state determine its destiny so long as it does not violate the Constitution. Some states will prosper. Some states will become disasters. The disasters will be California, New York, Illinois, Massachusetts etc. All are hard left states. They will be disasters because of socialism just as Venezuela today once the most prosperous nation in South America. I lived there during the good times and it was very good.
What are you, an ISIS member?
Damned straight!!! :)
I appreciate and respect the traditions that have been handed down.
I am glad to know what little Italian I do know.
But America is MY HOME and MY FIRST LOVE.
Though Sicily is beautiful and I do have a soft spot for the boot.
Must have been odd for my father and uncles to fight against a country they had left as children.
But they were Americans now. And that did what an American was supposed to do.
Oh please! That would solve half the problem at the most. Lets not leave out all of the sh*thole leftist cesspools on the East Coast.
Oh please! That would solve half the problem at the most. Lets not leave out all of the sh*thole leftist cesspools on the East Coast.
We don’t need to break apart. Just send all liberal wackadoodles and their we’re so special interest groups to New York. Build a wall round it and cede it to French Canada. Problem solved.
Secession to any extent merely deludes our ability to field a military and maintain a global presence.
Advocacy from the Leftists or the Right undermines our global presence.
If California leaves the nation, lop off 13% of the national GDP. Lop off 13% of federal tax receipts. Add up five or ten states, and soon you’ve lopped off 25% or more of our federal tax revenue.
It’s hard enough to service the U. S. National debt now.
Imaging 15 states leaving the union and 33% of the Federal Tax receipts being lost.
Folks need to think long and hard about this. If California left we would lose our warmest water ports on the Pacific.
It’s a terrible idea, but it does accomplish the Left’s goals. The United States would cease to be a global player.
That’s one way of blocking our productive contribution.
It’s just another form of treason > IMO. I realize it doesn’t qualify for the time honored form of Treason, but it still qualifies in my book.
We aren’t there yet but I hope liberal states taking a hike becomes a serious idea in the not so distant future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7joL2fllT7c
The left are okay with feces and needle strewn streets, latin American levels of brutal street crime, and rampant government corruption. This is not a simple difference of opinion, it’s civil society vs the mobs and their handlers.
That fight has been fought once. Those lefty states are not nearly as organized nor as motivated as the original crew.
They think they know what will come....they do not
“The left are okay with feces and needle strewn streets, latin American levels of brutal street crime, and rampant government corruption.”
And typhus. Los Angeles is in the midst of a typhus outbreak. Ain’t multiculturalism grand?
... and NYC, Detroit, KC, St Louis etc etc
The source of this problem & others is that Congress has routinely ignored the 10th Amendment & the USSC has allowed it.
The Feds should have never been allowed to control health, education, welfare, & other aspects of our society. One size does not fit all.
If states had been allowed authority over these public functions, we would have had 50 different ways of providing these public functions. Some states would fail, while other would have succeeded. Failed socialist policies in states such as California would be painfully obvious when compared to capitalist states. Voters in failed states would be in a better position to end failed policies by either referendum or voting out stupid politicians. The chances of suffering from bad government policies would be divided by 50, & people who are dissatisfied with state policies would have 49 other options more satisfying to their political inclinations.
As it stands now, populous liberal states have an outsized influence in the House of Representatives, which controls taxes & expenditures. Money cannot be spent or saved without House approval. The result is a 20+ Trillion dollar debt & very expensive but failed national health, education & welfare systems, controlled by un-elected bureaucrats (overwhelmingly liberal) in WDC.
The idea that 535 elected politicians have the best answers for 350 million people in 50 different states has long passed its expiration date.
Federal government should be limited to relations with other nations, providing for national security & defense, & settling disputes between states. THAT’s IT! Nothing more!
Problem with this is every red state has a huge population percentage of liberal wacko’s. Look at what’s going on in the polls of Tenn, GA, FLA, IND, etc.
The red states have a huge percentage of liberals, and the blue states still have a significant percentage of conservatives - except for NE states like RI and Conn.
You can’t “nuke” any state because you’d be killing a lot of your own “family”.....quite a stupid idea.
No - seccession is not an alternative.
The only alternative is to take back all our educational system and 1.) no one knows how to do that; 2.) the horse is already out of the barn and in 10 years dumbed-down, brainwashed, emotionally immature idiots will have dominant percentage control in every state.
And these two sides are not separated by geography, demographic or uniforms. No easy way to tell anyone apart. It is like Invasion Of The Body Snatchers. You cannot tell easily who’s side they are on.
If any state wants to go, there the matter of lingering debt obligations to be cleared. The most equitable distribution would be by HoR representation. California has 53 out of 435 House members, or about 12%. So California’s percentage of the outstanding federal debt is 12% of $21 trillion. So about $2.5 trillion is their liquidated buyout. But there are billions of dollars in public land as well as military installations, the value of which will have to be rendered in the split. In fairness there’s billions sitting in SS accounts that will need to be returned as well. They should do it soon, so we can correctly locate the western boundary of the border wall.
The subject should be purge, not secession
The leftist states should be purged from the union.
Counties desiring to remain can submit petitions of reunion
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