Posted on 07/25/2017 1:13:04 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
Time for a second lesson for forgetful India
By John Gong Source:Global Times Published: 2017/7/24 21:08:39
The public's patience is running short with India's Doklam transgression. Nothing can stand in the way of China's and Chinese people's dignity. No government in the world can stand still doing nothing while its borders are being violated.
As India continues down this intransigent path, perhaps it is time that it be taught a second lesson. Their troops in Doklam could either withdraw voluntarily, be captured or may be killed when border disputes escalate, Liu Youfa, China's former consul general in Mumbai, made the above comments in an appearance on CGTN.
As always, India's logic of reasoning on this matter is as feeble as its troops on the ground. India's position is that Doklam is territory in dispute between China and Bhutan, and it has been invited there by Bhutan, its protectorate state. Furthermore, it claims China's road construction in Doklam poses a strategic threat to the "chicken's neck," referring to the 27-kilometer-wide Siliguri Corridor to the south of Doklam that connects the northeastern part of India with the rest of the country.
Chicken's neck or giraffe's neck, who cares? Why would a peaceful China care about the road condition in another country when its only purpose is to improve its own road conditions?
This road in Doklam has been there for at least a decade under firm Chinese administration, and this time China is merely trying to do some asphalt patching work in order to facilitate better logistics support to its border posts. That a public infrastructure project in one country can be viewed as a strategic threat to another, and worse yet be used as an excuse warranting an invasion, is unprecedented in recent human history.
But the Indians have misunderstood their audience. China is no Sikkim or Bhutan, where India's hegemonic tactics have worked. We wouldn't have the patience to listen to that kind of wanton robber logic.
No matter what vassalage relationship India maintains with Bhutan, it baffles this author that India has the courage to transgress another country on its behalf. And in this case, Indian troops even entered into Doklam from the China-Sikkim border. Well, if this kind of logic holds, a third country can certainly enter into Kashmir, including India-controlled Kashmir, upon Pakistan's invitation. (This is not a far-fetched idea.)
Now let's also bear in mind that India has a history of harboring the Dalai Lama in Dharamsala as a strategic counter-China ploy. Underneath the Dalai Lama's façade of peace, there lies a trace of violence at least half a century old. Immediately after he fled to India in 1959, the Dalai Lama became the CIA's henchman in engaging in a terrorist guerrilla war on China.
In more recent years, the Tibetan Youth Congress, the armed wing of the Dalai Lama's regime, instigated several violent riots and is responsible for several terrorist bombings in China. In a way, India is actively harboring terrorism against the Chinese.
To such an unruly neighbor, China should reciprocate in a language that India can understand. The famous or infamous India bravado is never backed up by substance in its history with China. If memory is short on the Indian side, perhaps there should be a second lesson. China is embarking on a historic mission to be a peaceful, prosperous and powerful nation as it has been in history. It can't afford to be constantly distracted by border skirmishes with India.
The author is a professor at the University of International Business and Economics. johngong@gmail.com
Didn’t you say before that China will have trouble with supply lines through 25,000 feet high mountains and extremely rugged terrain? The access from Indian side to the disputed region is less difficult. How is China going to bring heavy weapons at point of action? Air drop?
It was the same thing last time. The Chinese military could not dislodge the trenched Indian military, who never abandoned their post and ran, unlike the Iraqi, Egyptian or others.
Members of BJP and their ilk, have accused missionaries of ‘forced’ conversions. You comment that “BJP picks on Christians only because they do not like the missionaries constantly trying to convert Hindu’s into Christians.” Under your constitution, Articles 25-28 cover freedom of religion, whether they like it or not. Are the missionaries physically forcing people to convert ‘or else’? That is something I have never ever experienced. Members of BJP and their ilk, have accused missionaries of ‘forced’ conversions. Show me proof, versus accusations!
The Indian church was founded by one of Jesus’ disciples, Thomas. Until, and unless Indians toss out the BJP and radical Hinduism, I am for anything that stops a potential pogrom. The BJP is slightly milder than many muhamedans, AT THE PRESENT TIME, but, like all evil, it grows worse with time.
I will begin to worry when BJP starts beheading non-believers. Until then it is a vast majority Hindu country and in a democracy, the people can elect whoever they want. I attended a Christian school (Rosary High School)through high school, and from first hand knowledge I can tell you we got along great with the nuns and fathers who were our teachers. We Hindu kids respected and loved them and none of them tried to convert us, to their credit. It was the best middle & high school in town.
Please read the link and especially the link within it, to the Daily Mail article below. I would be interested in your comments concerning Rajeshwar Singh's statement. Are they justified, in your views? If so, why?
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3570533/posts?page=17#17
Some facts to consider and keep them in mind before any meaningful discussion can be pursued....
> Hindu religion is the oldest major religion on earth, tracing it’s origins some 4000+ years back.
> Hinduism was the only religion existing in India 2500 years ago.
> Hindu religion is arguably the most tolerant of other religions. Because several other religions trace their origins in Hindu India. Buddha was actually an Indian prince, and thus Buddhism began in India and spread to Oriental countries. Other religions who began in India are the Jains, Sikhs, besides a few other smaller sects.
> Hindu’s have never sent missionaries abroad in attempt to convert others in foreign lands to Hinduism, unlike Islam & Christians.
> Constitution of India dictates a secular country, with no official religion, unlike Pakistan, and many middle east Muslim countries, and to some extent Israel.
> There is no history for 4000+ years of Hindu’s converting others inside India with threat of physical harm or Jizya like tax on non-Hindu’s.
> Currently in India, there are 827 million Hindu’s, 138 million Muslims and 24 million Christians.
In my opinion, I would ignore statements from isolated RSS individuals spouting forced conversions. I know Indians first hand, having spent my first 20 years of life there. There is zero possibility of any mass FORCED conversions. Isolated cases of exceptions do not make the rule. 99.99% of the 24 million Christians in India are safe, prosperous and get along with others. During my college years in India, I had friends who were Christians, Muslims, Parsee’s, Jains and my closest friend in engineering college was a Sikh.
Have you noticed in site of 138 million Muslims living in India, the percentage of indigenous radical Islamic terrorists is lower percentage than other countries including Russia, Philippines, UK, France and Germany? Why do you think that is so? Because Hindu’s are the most tolerant of other religions.
In summary, the world’s largest democracy, with 800 million voter ID’s with photographs, can elect whoever the voters desire.
You claim that ‘Hindu religion is arguably the most tolerant of other religions.’ So glad you included the word ‘arguably’! I see the ‘tolerance’ in your ‘caste system’. Is it any wonder why so many ‘dalits’ come to the Lord? While this discrimination is not legal, based upon caste, it still occurs on a regular basis. I see it in the increasing violence by radical Hindus, attacking Christian preachers, raping nuns, burning churches and killing Christians, especially those former Hindus that have accepted Jesus as their Lord.
Why is it that these radical Hindus (and from your comments, perhaps even you) fear mere words spoken by preachers? A true democracy should be a free marketplace of ideas. Belief systems should rise and fall based on their utility, not being trampled by threat.
Of course, the Bible IS truth, it is light and it is life, so it is no surprise that it is attacked. satan hates truth and light, he has to flee from it, so it is no wonder that satan puts such hatred in men’s and women’s minds, to kill preachers and destroy the Word.
I’ve heard several Indian preachers, who receive support from my church, preach and also discuss what God is doing in their part of India. The miracles they speak of, and the changed lives they speak of, is amazing. The bottom line is, where the church is persecuted, like in India, it grows. God’s Word never returns empty!
As noted in previous comments, until the BJP and their radical Hindus followers cease the attacks on Christians, I believe that it is a good thing that two enemies of Christ, communist China, and BJP India battle it out. Such fighting should throw a spanner into the BJP et al’s plans to rid Indian of Christians by 2021.
Good post.
the article turned into an irredeemable turd at that point.
Might as well play hardball.
“Dalit” is not a religion. I respect your beliefs in the Bible. Because I am tolerant of all non-violent religions. I do not believe that Hindu beliefs is the only way to reach God. Again because I am tolerant of other religions. I hope you will learn to be tolerant of other religions as well.
I am not sure what you mean by being ‘tolerant of other religions’. Are the comments of senior BJP members, the burning of churches, the raping of nuns, the assaults and killings of clergy and especially Christian converts from Hinduism, are these examples of ‘tolerance’ that I should be ‘tolerant’ of?
You mention that, “I do not believe that Hindu beliefs is the only way to reach God.” Neither Hindu. Muslim, Buddhism, or any other ‘religion’ can ‘reach God’. Jesus is the ONLY way! In John 14:6-7 (NIV) , Jesus states, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
You, me, everyone has a right to believe anything they choose, no matter what they believe, no matter how wrong they are, as long as they do not harm anyone. If you mean by ‘tolerant’, that I accept your proposition that through other religions, one can ‘reach God’, then call me ‘intolerant’, as I will never ‘learn to be tolerant of other religions.’ There is but one way, JESUS!
As He is the ONLY way, THAT is why missionaries leave the wealth and ease of Western society to spread the Word in poor parts of the world, areas where the Word has only limited or no exposure. That is why local, itinerant preachers in extremely poor Nations’, suffer persecution to spread the Word. They know that their sharing the Truth, may save some people from eternity in hell. THAT is why they risk so much to proselytize.
Dalits got paid for their work. American slaves never got paid a dime by their Christian “owners”. People who live in glass houses should refrain from throwing stones at others.
And, a dalit was elected president in India, and they now have legal protection as well. And get this straight, the treatment of dalits has nothing to do with Hindu religion. None of the holy Hindu scriptures profess discrimination. It was strictly a social phenomena akin to slavery in United States. I am certain the Bible does not profess slavery either.
Stop conflating religion with social mores.
Let us also never forget General Sir Charles James Napier's response to Hindu priests complaining that they could not longer practice 'sati', the ritualized burning to death of the wife of a dead man. General Napier replied, “Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs."
Actually, some of the hymns of your rigveda are quite violent. The RSS and BJP psychos are merely following these teachings. Here is a link to a website that lists a number of such violent scripture. Here are a few examples:
Rig Veda 9.13.9 ”May you (O love divine), the beholder of the path of enlightenment, purifying our mind and destroying the infidels who refuse to offer worship, come and stay in the prime position of the eternal sacrifice.” Tr. SatyaPrakash Saraswati
Rig Veda 7.6.3 ”May the fire divine chase away those infidels, who do not perform worship and who are uncivil in speech. They are niggards, unbelievers, say no tribute to fire divine and offer no homage. The fire divine turns those godless people far away who institute no sacred ceremonies.” Tr. SatyaPrakash Saraswati
Rig Veda 9.63.5 ‘‘Augmenting the strength of resplendent self, urging the waters and rejuvenating all noble acts and destroying the infidels.” Tr. SatyaPrakash Saraswati
Your claims of Hindu 'tolerance' are belied by such scriptures! Below, are a number of links to articles about Hindu violence against Christians, which also belie your claims of tolerance. A quick Google search for 'anti christian violence in india' yields a huge number of articles.
' Christians in India suffering increasing levels of persecution'
'Violence against Indian Christians in 2016 up by a third on first half of 2015'
'Uncertain future for Indian Christians after BJP’s election victories'
''Alarming rise' in attacks against Christians in India'
'Christians in India increasingly under attack, study shows'
'The rise of exclusionary politics in India'
You comment that, 'Stop conflating religion with social mores.' The problem is that social mores flow from religion. In light of those scriptures noted above, ask yourself, why is it that most of the violent perpetrated by Hindus against Christians is by 'fundamentalist' Hindus and not secularized Hindus? 'Fundamentalist' Hindus are just going back to their scripture. Remember General Napier's comment? 'sati' WAS a social more among Hindus prior to it's banning in 1829. British rule over India for almost 200 years (including the East India Company before the Raj), ended many of the nastiest 'mores' of Hindu practices (as it did with the nastier of muhamedan practices).
The problem in the West is that many have thrown off decent Judeo-Christianity mores, flowing from the Bible and adopted nasty mores arising from self-satisfaction. .
You claim that, "...the treatment of dalits has nothing to do with Hindu religion. None of the holy Hindu scriptures profess discrimination." According to this BBC article,
"Manusmriti, widely regarded to be the most important and authoritative book on Hindu law and dating back to at least 1,000 years before Christ was born, "acknowledges and justifies the caste system as the basis of order and regularity of society"."
As you well know, there are four castes that your false religion claims descend from Brahma, your Creator God; Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras. Dalits were not included, so they became 'outcastes', or untouchables, subject to all types of discrimination in India. Here is a 2012 article from the BBC concerning 'Dalits'.
As I stated before, I do not support a government that chooses to ignore, even condone the systematic oppression of a minority religious group. AFA I am concerned, fighting between China and India is a good thing, if it postpones the RSS pogrom!
May be the Hindu’s are retaliating for missionaries proselytizing in India which started out as 100% Hindu?
While there are no Hindu missionaries to be found anywhere in the majority Christian countries?
You mean something like freedom of speech for Hindus but restricted speech for Christians? How very muhamedan of you!
Hindus are perfectly free to prostletize, yet they choose not to. How is that a Christian’s problem? Do they had such little faith in their beliefs that they do not wish to share them? It speaks volumes that in the marketplace of ideas, these Hindus have to depend on violence to shut down their opponents rather than being able to article their beliefs in a way the makes more sense than Christianity does. Of course a false belief system, guided by satan’s hand and human hearts and minds, cannot stand up to the Truth of the Jesus of the Bible.
No need to poison bread baskets you might own after everything goes down when you can just annihilate a few cities.
Dead wrong.
The logistics impact of ensuring starvation is orders of magnitude greater than the loss of few cities, especially when you are talking about China.
Remember, China has cities sitting empty in the way that the United States has strip malls sitting empty.
India also doesn’t seem to have any desire to occupy China. Only knock the crap out of them so they stop invading.
Which stops them invading longer?
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