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Vanity: Can the president ignore the court and continue with his valid executive order?
February 9, 2017 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 02/09/2017 4:01:56 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Vanity Discussion Question: Can the president ignore the court order and continue with his valid executive order?

It appears the president is acting in accordance to his constitutional powers and specifically in accordance to laws regarding immigration and has been challenged and overridden by an unconstitutionally political activist (liberal) court.

If so, can he can he continue with his valid orders controlling the actions of the executive branch? No doubt this would set up a "constitutional crisis" but this is going to happen soon anyway as it's the only way we will ever restore constitutional government, ie, the liberal activist courts will have to be toppled eventually. Why not now while we have a strong president and Republican majorities in both housees of congress?

Just askin'.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aliens; coequalbranches; commanderinchief; conflictofpowers; consitutionalcrisis; constitution; courts; immigration; judicialactivism; judicialtyranny; nationalsecurity; publicsafety; ruleoflaw; separationofpowers; travelban; trump; waronterror
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To: tomkat

He should go before the American people, read that law and his EO, make it obvious before the people that the judges have totally usurped their power by ignoring the plain language of the law and declare that he will proceed with his executive order until Congress changes the law.

One politicized judge should not be allowed to supercede the will of a president and Congress.

Let the Rats try to impeach him if they dare.


141 posted on 02/09/2017 4:49:15 PM PST by aquila48
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To: TheConservator

“Not without provoking a constitutional crisis.”

Didn’t Obama and some of his clown officials ignore court orders? http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2017/02/dhs-ig-let-obama-defy-court-rulings-illegal-amnesty-acts-probes-trump-muslim-order/


142 posted on 02/09/2017 4:49:50 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Stop all immigration 100%: legal, illegal and refugees for at least 10 years


143 posted on 02/09/2017 4:50:28 PM PST by cssGA30005
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

Your points may be valid, but the law(s) as written mean nothing when a judge say they mean something else. That’s what happened here with the 9th circuit. Liberal judges see the law as a topical heading under which they can exert their partisan ideas and agenda. The letter of the law isn’t even secondary with them.


144 posted on 02/09/2017 4:51:50 PM PST by damper99
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To: P-Marlowe; Jim Robinson

I agree. A bunch of lawyers on Charles Payne’s show were saying the same thing.

One did say something interesting. He said they should ask for an emergency stay from Kennedy and if he ruled for them, then if one if it was appealed to the full scotus and the scotus tied that it would fall back to his ruling rather than to the appeals court.

If he ruled against them, then rescind the old order and proclaim a new one with tweaks in it.


145 posted on 02/09/2017 4:51:58 PM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Can Congress defund the 9th Circuit?


146 posted on 02/09/2017 4:52:30 PM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: B212

They couldn’t care less. The left would blame us.


147 posted on 02/09/2017 4:53:02 PM PST by aquila48
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To: Jim 0216

“It’s a TRO//restraining order hearing where they’re arguing the merits of the EO ...”

Yes. They are to decide if the EO is Constitutional, not if it’s good policy.

Congress can decide if it is bad policy and act accordingly.


148 posted on 02/09/2017 4:54:44 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: mlo

What I find hilarious is that the kritarchists are now arguing that a nationwide TRO is just fine.

They argued the exact opposite when Judge Hanen issued his order in the DACA case brought by Texas:

http://www.scotusblog.com/2016/11/academic-highlight-bray-on-reforming-the-national-injunction/


149 posted on 02/09/2017 4:55:40 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes President Trump can. The Congress pass a law and he, as the Executive, acted upon it. That makes two co-equal branches of government against the Judiciary. Trump and America wins. I think he needs to see it to the Supreme Court but, even if they vote against him, the law is clearly on his side.

If necessary President Trump should call for the impeachment of the 9th .
Circuit Judges. And the Supreme Court Justices, for delivering a politicized verdict that is contrary to the Constitution.


150 posted on 02/09/2017 4:56:26 PM PST by WMarshal (President Trump, a president keeping his promises to the American people. It feels like winning.)
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To: plain talk

I think it would be just the opposite, it would expedite the rest of his agenda. As things stand now the Rats will take him to court over everything.

What he needs is to make sure that the majority of Republicans in the house stay with him to thwart any impeachment attempts.


151 posted on 02/09/2017 4:57:49 PM PST by aquila48
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To: Helicondelta

He has ABSOLUTE power in this matter.


152 posted on 02/09/2017 4:59:17 PM PST by stockpirate (OBAMA MUST BE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE CLINTON FOUNDATION.)
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To: kvanbrunt2

“just start up a large paperwork chain for those 7 countries.”

Add a country each time.


153 posted on 02/09/2017 4:59:55 PM PST by Castigar
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To: Jim Robinson

I don’t think an impeachment proceeding is guaranteed to happen.

For one thing, someone would make congress explain why the gave the prez the authority that Trump is following.

Has to go through house. Has to go through senate.

Even if proceedings started, I doubt they would actually go to the point of impeaching him.

They never impeached Jackson.


154 posted on 02/09/2017 5:00:14 PM PST by fruser1
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To: Telepathic Intruder; Jim Robinson
The Judiciary has no authority to override the president’s authority. That’s called separation of powers. And they don’t have the authority to decide cases involving non U.S. citizens.

If he does ignore them for the right legal reasons, I hope he takes it straight to a Presidential Address on TV to explain why and exactly what you said, since these leftist judges stepped way over their legal authority.

Taking it straight to the American people, for the security of all Americans, would set the true legal narrative before the enemedia had a chance to distort it. You know they will if he doesn't take it straight to the American people.

CGato

155 posted on 02/09/2017 5:01:03 PM PST by Conservative Gato
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To: Jim Robinson

Power struggle part 1

This isn’t about the law, or the courts, or certain judges. Its about Trump.

The form of the controversy is by the bye. If not this, it would be something else for sure, and after this there will be something else. And its not even just about immigration, though that is important to many of his enemies.

The Powers That Be have to take him down or render him harmless like they did to Schwarzenegger, else he will break their rice bowls. And I’m talking of the bureaucratic-crony capitalist nexus.


156 posted on 02/09/2017 5:02:54 PM PST by buwaya
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To: Jim Robinson

Politically, it makes a lot more sense to comply with the order. If Trump tries to defy it, enough Republicans may actually rise up to impeach him (only about 20 are needed from each body). If he lets the order stand, and there is an attack - the Dems get all the blame, and while the loss of American lives is a high price to pay, many more will be lost (in many different ways) if Trump, and possibly Republicans as a whole, are driven from office - by trying to ignore this order.

Anyway, that’s my take - if the Democrats want to own the next attack so much, let them...the key is that Trump and his agenda remain in power.


157 posted on 02/09/2017 5:03:00 PM PST by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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To: Jim Robinson

forget the order
investigate ever perso entering crom the 7 countries until satisfied they are ok

stop issuing visas

let them sue from somalia or syria


158 posted on 02/09/2017 5:03:52 PM PST by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... Macroagression melts snowflakes)
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To: Jim Robinson

He can probably ignore the order, but I don’t think he will. This will ultimately blow in the face of the 9th, and they will regret this smart ass decision.


159 posted on 02/09/2017 5:05:44 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: tomkat

Make the State Department totally stand down.


160 posted on 02/09/2017 5:07:15 PM PST by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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