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Ted Cruz, Glenn Beck, and Cult-Like Religion
Freeper Editorial | 1/03/2015 | GPH

Posted on 01/03/2016 5:07:32 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans

Sundance at The Conservative Tree House has written posts commenting on Ted Cruz's proselytizing as an electoral campaign strategy. Freepers have seen at least a couple of examples of this strategy recently, with threads being posted about Cruz calling on supporters to "don the full armor of God" to resist "incoming attacks" (presumably from dark forces!), or that the "Body of Christ" must be energized to gain the victory.

This type of rhetoric is also heavily prominent in his campaign fund raising. One of the more epic and cringe inducing examples comes from an apparent leak by the Cruz campaign of hours and hours of videos to Youtube, apparently done to get by laws that forbid cooperation between SuperPacs and the campaigns they support.

In these examples here and here, we get to see the Cruz family do multiple takes to get the candid-camera family prayer just right, and we also get to see his mother cringe after Cruz states that she spends "hours" praying for him every day.

It's entirely incomprehensible to me why a campaign would allow such uncomfortable and damaging footage to ever see the light of day, but it does help me illustrate just why the Cruz campaign is so vulnerable outside of the primary season. No, it's not because the general electorate is anti-Christian. It's that most normal people, including Christians, recognize at first glance that praying in public-- or implying that God supports your campaign as you beg for more money-- is extremely artificial and painfully obvious pandering.

On top of that, besides the pandering, which is bad enough in and of itself, the type of so-called "Christianity" he associates with isn't exactly the religion of Charles Spurgeon or Jonathon Edwards. Nope, it is the lowest of the low of New Age/Eastern Mysticism and Dominionist theology that is, unfortunately, invading huge swathes of Christendom today. And Cruz's deep connections with these types of people are extensive, beginning with none other than his own father, Rafael Cruz.

Rafael Cruz, Larry Huch & 7 Mountains Theology (Dominionism.Kingdom Now)

First, a brief explanation of what Dominionism/Kingdom Now theology even is. It is a very theologically diverse movement. It is not a denomination. It started from the weirdo confines of the New Apostolic Reformation, where self-proclaimed "Apostles" and "Prophets" declared a latter rain revival/revolution. However, there are Baptist "Dominionists," there are Roman Catholic "Dominionists," there are leftist "Dominionists," and people who are greatly influenced by their teachings but differ in some ways, or perhaps are not as extreme in their Charismatic "spiritual gifts" and "health and wealth" Gospel as other Dominionists are. In general, Dominionists believe that a great end times army of super Christians will take Dominion over the Earth and bring about the Kingdom of Christ, no longer a Kingdom "not of this world," as the Gospel teaches, but one which begins here on Earth and must precede the coming of Christ in order for Him to arrive. Total physical unity of "Christians" is necessary, which is why a large number of Dominionists are also heavily involved in the ecumenical movement. Some of these people are more covert in their beliefs than others, but generally they all work together for the same goals.

As time has passed, this very diverse Dominionist movement has become increasingly mainstream among Evangelical or conservative circles (I highly recommend you read that link in its entirety), so much so that many people probably don't even notice when 7 Mountains theology gets slipped in or the weirdos of the New Apostolic Reformation trot on out. The problem is so bad, in fact, that I call the unnoticed infiltration of Dominionists into GOP/Conservative politics the "dirty little secret" of our movement, and one which should be recognized and dealt with. These "Dominionists" have managed to get into prayer meetings or religious events all over, meeting with members of the GOP and pretending to represent mainstream Christendom, including with candidates like Newt Gingrich, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Rick Perry, Huckabee, Trump (in one meeting with the odious Copeland, among others) and on and on and on, who have all received hands on prayer by Dominionists and other errant pastors. However, no other candidate in this election has the ties Cruz has with the Dominionist movement.

Sometime in 2012 the Cruz campaign was apparently soliciting the endorsement of the megachurch Dominionist pastor, Larry Huch. Besides being a Dominionist, Huch is the kind of guy who sells CD Collections explaining how Christ's blood won back our "willpower... prosperity... health... Dominion over the things we touch...[and] Dominion over the places we walk." In other words, this is typical prosperity gospel and Dominionist materialism.

Huch remarked, during a sermon he was preaching along side Rafael Cruz, that he had received a phone call from the Cruz campaign to meet with them to see if he would be willing to "get behind" Cruz's run. Evidently the meeting bore fruit for the Cruz campaign, as it not only won an endorsement from Huch, but Rafael Cruz also came and preached at his church.

As you will see in this link, (in the link I provided just before this one, there is a transcript of this same event. I provided this second link because the commentary surrounding the video is useful) Rafael Cruz taught the congregants about how God has anointed two types of Christians: Kings and Priests. It is the job of the Kings to take control over the "market place" in order to bring the wealth back to the priests. According to Rafael, the "wealth of the wicked" belongs to the church, and God has anointed the "Kings" of the Christian church to go forth and initiate the great transfer of wealth from the "wicked" to the "righteous" as part of the end-times establishment of the kingdom. (Notice how heavily materialistic all of this is.)

Keep in mind, this wasn't Rafael Cruz just showing up at random at some church. Rafael is here operating as part of the Cruz campaign, selling to the congregation that Cruz believes the same things they do.

The Shady Background of Rafael Cruz

It is worth noting at this point just how shady Cruz's father is. Virtually every part of his biography has been disputed based on the facts.

For example, the True the Vote Summit website listed Rafael Cruz as "Director of Purifying Fire Ministries, ministering in the U.S., Mexico and Central America. He is also a professor of Bible and Theology, and the president of Kingdom Translation Services." This is a common bio you will find provided on many websites or speaking events Rafael has attended, though sometimes differing in details, such as in spelling or names. Sometimes he is a "pastor" of a Dallas church, other times that is not mentioned.

First:

There was no Purifying Fire Ministries that he was "director" of. It does not exist anywhere. There is no location for it anywhere. There are no remnants of a website somewhere. There is the Purifying Fire Ministries that was operated by Suzanne Hinn (the ex-wife of Charismaniac Benny Hinn), but the Cruz campaign has denied any connection with them, claiming that he "only used the name" for a little while before dropping it. Keep in mind, this "dropping" would have to have been pretty recent, because Rafael Cruz was being identified as "Director" of Purifying Fire Ministries as recently as January of this year.

Bizarrely, the Suzanne Hinn affiliated website was actually identified as belonging to Rafael Cruz in this speech he gave, despite the denials of any connection with the Purifying Fires franchise. That same website actually came down sometime after February of 2015, possibly in May (I see dates listed in May on the wayback machine, but cannot view them), and you can only view the about page mentioning Suzanne Hinn via the way back machine.

Of course, Rafael Cruz has no church in Dallas either. He is a "one-man" pastor, which the campaign admits.

We find similar problems when we examine his "Presidency" at Kingdom Translation Services. It is a real business, it seems, where he is listed as both Director and President, (I'd have gone with Supreme Chancellor and Senate) and, in the past 3 years since it was founded, has only put out an audio bible of Rafael Cruz reading the Bible in Spanish. The address associated with this business takes you to a residential address--- which all leads me to believe that Rafael Cruz is the Director and President of a business with probably just one employee, himself, a sort of Trinity at least. The writer of this blog claims that it is indeed a one-man show, but I wasn't able to verify that independently, only deduce it.

Moving on: Rafael Cruz's claim of being a Professor of Bible theology. Well...(from the same link as above):

"He's also claimed to be President of Kingdom Translation Services (another one-man gig that he started a year ago), and a "professor of Bible and Theology", first at Advance Institute, then Advanced Bible Institute, neither of which can be found... anywhere..."

All of this is just the tip of the iceberg. Cruz's immigration story (he might either have broken immigration law or embellished his story), his life in Cuba, his "fire bombing" for Castro, of having witnessed certain revolutionaries die (when they were on the other side of Cuba), and so many other details, are all contradicted.

See here and here for examples.

Glenn Beck & the Dominionist Axis-Power

Ted Cruz's ties with Dominionism do not end with his dad or this pastor. Cruz is also supported by David Barton who leads Cruz's Keep the Promise SuperPac. Barton is also a Lecturer for Beck's "online university," is the Chairman of Beck's Mercury One charity, and his work is featured heavily by Beck's program. It is also reported that Beck has raised millions for Keep the Promise via Barton. Like Ted Cruz himself, Barton is heavily promoted by Glenn Beck, though Beck performs virtually no vetting of this man whatsoever.

As an example, Barton's historical work tracking the Christian roots of the nation are apparently plagued by exaggeration and poor scholarship. I didn't have time to do a full scale study on the issue of the accuracy of Barton's historical claims, but there are enough examples of misquotes available that makes you doubt Glenn Beck's assertion that Barton is the "Library of Congress in shoes." Ted Cruz has said something similar, describing Barton as a "good friend" and a fantastic scholar.

The blogger at Fanatic for Jesus blogspot describes Barton, as of 2011, as tending "to keep his ties to the Dominionists under wraps, and no one has heard him explicitly advocate Seven Mountains Dominionism ... until yesterday on his radio program (4/4/11)." The blogger then goes on to quote him thusly:

"Barton: That's right. Christians got to get involved. And there's a Scripture they used that came out of Isiah 2:2 and it says "Now it shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established on the top of the mountains," so this is now called the Seven Mountain Prophecy, there's a book out by that name. It says the Lord's house is going to be established on top of the mountains and these are the seven mountains. If you're going to establish God's kingdom, you've got to have these seven mountains and again that's family, religion, education, media, entertainment, business and government. Now that's what we believed all along is you got to get involved in this stuff. Jesus said "you occupy 'til I come." We don't care when he comes, that's up to him. What we're supposed to do is take the culture in the meantime and you got to get involved in these seven areas."

This is a pretty clear declaration of Dominionist teaching. The book he mentions is by Johnny Enlow, a Dominionist author who has called for "superimposing" a "virtual theocracy" onto the United States government. Interestingly, Enlow describes himself as a "social reformer," a red flag for a social just warrior, and on his website he rails against Donald Trump's appeal to "White man's pride." Here's a larger quote:

"I believe we are witnessing a phenomenon in the present political landscape, as Donald Trump is directly appealing, to what I sense God is presently judging in America- white male pride... what I sense from the Lord is that He is actually confronting and judging our white male pride (WMP). This is a kind of pride that blinds you from realizing that it is God Himself that has drawn a line in the sand and determined to bring a necessary correction. You can be a white female and also be affected by this pride, but I believe it’s primarily something that a significant portion of white males deal with... Donald Trump has stirred and blown a trumpet that is awakening WMP on a mass scale. His political platform has been horribly divisive and polarizing..."

As I said, Dominionism is a strange world where many different people with different visions of what a Christian nation should look like can all meet together under one tent.

Even Glenn Beck is not an unwelcome member of the Dominionist movement. David Barton defends Glenn Beck's Mormon faith (the LDS is polytheistic and pelagian in nature, thoroughly heretical) as being Christian, though this probably also has something to do with Dominionism's Ecumenical efforts.

Barton's ties with other Dominionists are also quite extensive, including with Kenneth Copeland, who, besides his Dominionism, pushes New Age/Eastern mysticism. He also says things like this:

"You're all God. You don't have a God living in you; you are one! ... When I read in the Bible where God tells Moses, 'I AM,' I say, 'Yah, I am too!'" ("The Force of Love," Tape BBC-56).

This same Kenneth Copeland managed to land a 3 hour meeting with the Pope due to the sheer level of his popularity, which, perhaps, is less a condemnation of the Pope not vetting him, but more a problem with the American Evangelical movement that really does give more honor to guys like Copeland than is deserved.

Rafael Cruz has also echoed concepts repeated by David Barton, such as the concept of a "black robe regiment" of Christian pastors.

Moving on: Glenn Beck himself, not surprisingly, also brings up the "7 Mountains" of society, mouthing the same talking points that first originated with hardcore Dominionists years ago.

In case you think that maybe Glenn Beck doesn't know the full implications of what he's saying, Chuck Pierce, a radical Dominionist and self-proclaimed prophet of the crazy New Apostolic Reformation, gave Glenn Beck a holy "mantle of the future". To help you understand that, think of the Roman Catholic concept of Apostolic succession, then insert lunacy, mix it up, and drink till you pass out. The New Apostolic Reformation believes they are the restored Apostles and Prophets of God, basically like the return of saint Paul or saint John, and they have all the authority implied therein, though they use it mostly to rake in donations from the faithful.

The blogger at Spirit of Error noted that the timing of Chuck Pierce's granting of the prophetic mantle to Mormon Glenn Beck was interesting. He writes:

"With the presidential election around the corner, the timing of Pierce's mantle-giving is no coincidence. Beck didn't just happen to stop by Pierce's church last Sunday morning. Pierce didn't just happen to present Beck with a mantle–out of courtesy for his high-profile visitor. This event was orchestrated. Think about it. Pierce gives a mantle to Beck–and, as a result, people in the NAR movement will now listen to Beck when he speaks in support of a presidential candidate. Who will he speak in support of? He's thrown his support to Ted Cruz, who, just yesterday, announced that he’ll run for the Republican Party nomination for 2016.

Ted Cruz's ties with Glenn Beck should be well known to all at this point, but is worth summarizing with a few bits of new information. Cruz, of course, joined up with Beck to hand out Teddy bears to illegal alien children awhile back. He is a frequent topic on Beck's programs and appears often. He has praised both Barton and Beck as good friends and patriots. Through David Barton, Beck also is involved with Ted Cruz's superPAC Keep the Promise, and Beck's support for Cruz is blatant. Beck in November declared he is currently working on a documentary about Ted Cruz (I do not know if he's finished it and has already aired it on his irrelevant internet TV show), and has declared that Ted Cruz has been "supernaturally" raised to lead the country. (Cruz has been implying the same thing over the past month, which makes me wonder whether this is a combined effort to create a "Savior" narrative.)

Cruz's Church

Currently, Cruz attends Houston’s First Baptist Church. The senior pastor is Gregg Matte. He was one of the pastors associated with Rick Perry's controversial prayer meeting with prominent "Evangelical" leaders. Here is Martha West explaining the problem:

"In my article series "The Religious Right uniting with Religious Renegades" I expressed alarm over some or our Christian leader's decision to attend Gov. Rick Perry's The Response: A call to prayer. Many evangelicals were distressed that respected leaders would be standing shoulder to shoulder with folks who are associated with fringe groups such as the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), the International House of Prayer (IHOP) and the Word of Faith (WoF). These groups hold many of the same unbiblical beliefs such as "positive confession."

Evidently these warnings went unheeded, and Gregg Matte was among those standing side by side the weirdest weirdos of the Dominionist movement. Gregg Matte has also had David Barton as a guest speaker at his church, as seen here. Beyond this, Barton's sermons that I have seen were bland enough that I didn't notice any problems, except, perhaps, for a hint that he believes God speaks to men audibly, but not clear enough for me to be sure. There was no other information on him. I suspect it's because he just isn't that famous.

Beth Moore, on the other hand, is a different matter. She has taught at Houston's First Baptist Church for more than two decades, producing Bible studies and giving sermons. She believes that God speaks audibly to her, in "full sentences," and that, while writing her book, she had supernatural experiences accompanying it. She has also taught "contemplative prayer" and is close to the Osteen family. Besides this, she is also tied to Dominionists like Joyce Meyer, with whom she has done work promoting Ecumenicalism. According to Beth, she has had supernatural visions where Roman Catholics are also members of the body of Christ (controversial for the average Baptist, but a regular theme with most Dominionists).

Joyce Meyer, as mentioned, is a Dominionist, and also gives to her congregations pretty little gems like this:

"The Lord recently showed me that we can bless or curse the financial seed we sow. We can speak positively about our financial future, or we can say things like, 'I can't afford it' . .. 'Every time I turn around something happens to take my money'. . . . We should water our giving with the water of His word and expect an abundant harvest. Sow your seed and speak prosperity scriptures over your finances" (Joyce Meyer, "Your Mouth is a Weapon," Life in the Word March 1997, p. 4.)

And as an explanation of why this sort of doctrine is so popular:

"While Meyer's previous salary is unknown, a recent series of investigative articles in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch revealed Meyer's ministry purchased for Joyce and Dave a $2 million home, a $10 million private jet, and houses worth another $2 million for the couple's children, who also work for the ministry. The articles also outlined Meyer's recent personal purchases, including a $500,000 vacation home. Meyer, 60, lives in Fenton, Missouri, near St. Louis." (1/1/2004, http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/januaryweb-only/1-19-13.0.html)

Is it any wonder why con men are so drawn to the "Christian" Evangelical/Charismatic scene? It is insanely profitable, provided you have the right message. That is probably part of the reason for Beck's downward spiral into Dominionist theology-- it's to get at the money while his original audience shrinks into nothingness. At the same time, however, Beck really does seem to think he has some kind of Messianic mission. You see this in the way he talks and how he seems to be having "prophetic" inspiration when he declares Cruz to be supernaturally-sent. The fact he's working on a documentary for Ted Cruz was also quite a bizarre revelation for me. There's not exactly that much to talk about.

Returning to Moore, the blogger at "The King's Dale" did an extensive study on her (he read all three of her books), concluding, among other things, that she preaches a "false Gospel of pragmatism, self-improvement and prosperity." Or, in other words, the usual "believe it and claim it" materialistic pablum that is omnipresent among these people. Beth Moore has also preached sermons with common New Apostolic Reformation themes, such as this one at James Robison's church. Robison himself is a hyper-Charismatic who has featured Dominionists like John Wimber, and has done ecumenical work. Also note this from the same link:

"In the November/December 1986 issue of Day of Restoration, James Robison wrote that the miracle of Christmas is "that Christ is formed in you;" that "our actual purpose in this world: receiving and expressing the fullness of the life of Jesus." He goes on to say that "God wants us to see Jesus as merely the big brother in a huge family of brothers and sisters like Him." Further, he states that II Corinthians 5:17 means that we "have the divine nature, the eternal life of God." Still Christ must be "formed in you." He goes on to say that Jesus was a pattern; that "Jesus Himself pioneered the process He is putting us through." He claims that "God reveals that Christ had to be formed even in Jesus. ... That same Jesus also will be formed in you -- in anyone who will receive the light of this truth."

For those of you familiar with Mormon doctrine, you'll notice that a lot of Dominionist thinking has a strong Mormonic flavor. The LDS believes that men are gods in seed form. If they perform all the duties of a Mormon, they will graduate to full fledged Godhood in the Celestial Kingdom. It makes sense then why a lot of Dominionists, such as those in the NAR, are willing to declare him to be a prophet. Though, they probably like the prospect of money, publicity and power as well.

So there you have it folks. Here are Ted Cruz's ugly ties with cult-like religion, as well as Beck's descent into Dominionist madness. I could keep going, and there is much more research to be done. However, this is as much as you'll get for now.


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To: SmokingJoe

Of course he says that now; but why did he vote for TPA, which was passed only as the mechanism to advance TPP. He is a politician; he says what his supporters want to hear.

Cruz voted for the Corker bill, a bill that Limbaugh and Levin called a disaster, and he now campaigns against it. Care to explain that away? Vows he will get rid of it if elected. Just how much confidence can you have in what he vows.

“Now who do I believe, a lying, weasel, Trumpbot fanatic troll, or my own eyes?”

Why do fools like you get on a site, that you are a guest of, that says don’t not post such things, but do so anyway? Why don’t you start your own site for perverts like yourself?


961 posted on 01/04/2016 10:16:20 AM PST by odawg
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To: odawg

What he said about it....

‘I voted no on cloture because we should have insisted on amendments to put real teeth in this bill. Ultimately, I voted yes on final passage because it may delay, slightly, President Obama’s ability to lift the Iran sanctions and it ensures we will have a Congressional debate on the merits of the Iran deal. I will continue to lead the fight to prevent the Islamic Republic of Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons and to protect the national security of America and our allies.’


962 posted on 01/04/2016 10:19:41 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: odawg
why did he vote for TPA

It's standard enabling legislation for trade deals. Similar legislation has been passed routinely for 50 years.

Cruz said that he was assuming a Republican presidential victory in 2016. The agreement is good for 6-7 years, AFAIK. He thought that this was the time when it could get through Congress, with a Republican administration ultimately benefiting.

963 posted on 01/04/2016 10:19:57 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: SmokingJoe

Trump continues to say ALL illegals must be deported including anchor babies. How is that amnesty for illegals?

Please show us where Trump has given a campaign promise or released a policy objective that promises amnesty. Stop the bs.


964 posted on 01/04/2016 10:20:12 AM PST by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Cold Heat

“Ultimately, I voted yes on final passage because it may delay, slightly, President Obama’s ability to lift the Iran sanctions and it ensures we will have a Congressional debate on the merits of the Iran deal.”

Only thing wrong with that is that the Corker bill ensured that the Iranian deal is now law. Why does Cruz say that he will get rid of it if he becomes president if it is not law?

The White House wrote the bill. Why would the White House author a bill that defeats its own agenda?


965 posted on 01/04/2016 10:35:28 AM PST by odawg
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To: FourtySeven

Thank you for your sanity.


966 posted on 01/04/2016 10:37:02 AM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: odawg

The vote was 99-1....

The one dissenting vote was my congress critter...Tom Cotton.

It was a done deal in every way possible...Perhaps cruz could have made a better call, maybe not, but with most senate votes, there are contingencies...

Since the vote was not even close, and cruz has not changed his positions on iran as his arguments indicate during debate of his amendment, the yes vote on passage meant nothing..IMO especially since every conservative in the senate voted for it, save for one who had previously staked out his position.


967 posted on 01/04/2016 10:43:11 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Springfield Reformer; Greetings_Puny_Humans

This seems like another significant post. SR adds some personal testimony that colors the report about this Beth Moore mentioned in GPH’s original post. Not to mention SR also makes the point I made later which was/is: the main “damage” the OP inflicts on Cruz is via “guilt by association”.

I wouldn’t mind if you, GPH, addresses this point (that your OP relies on guilt via association to impugn Cruz) and/or the post SR made, to which this post is in reply.

I’m still reading the thread but have yet to see you address this criticism.

Back to reading.


968 posted on 01/04/2016 10:55:48 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Cold Heat

“It was a done deal in every way possible...Perhaps cruz could have made a better call, maybe not, but with most senate votes, there are contingencies...”

True, but you must remember how Cruz supporters envision Cruz: a probably divine incarnation of honesty, the Constitution, the Ten Commandants, a consistent conservative who, as Rush even said, can be depended on in every case to do what is right. It goes on and on. He lies awake at night examining himself to see if he committed any imperfections that day. Committing a wrong is not even considered. He is perfect.

Then he has the gall to immediately turn from his vote and condemn the bill.


969 posted on 01/04/2016 11:21:21 AM PST by odawg
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To: brothers4thID
We keep losing because of a spineless, castrated Congress.

Who puts them there?

970 posted on 01/04/2016 12:13:51 PM PST by itsahoot (Anyone receiving a Woo! Woo! for President has never won anything after the award.)
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To: SmokingJoe
Ted Cruz Vows to Make a Show Vote Against TPP Trade Deal in Iowa
971 posted on 01/04/2016 12:15:31 PM PST by itsahoot (Anyone receiving a Woo! Woo! for President has never won anything after the award.)
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To: odawg
Of course he says that now;

Again TPA is the conservative free trade way. It's not exactly New. Past Republican presidents were given lessee the same fast track trade negotiation powers. Again TPA is not law. It means ZILCH . It expressly gives congress powers to review every aspect of any trade agreement reached and reject it in totality if it's not to congress's liking. That's what TPP is there for. The only thing that counts in the end is TPP.

972 posted on 01/04/2016 12:20:34 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: CatherineofAragon; Greetings_Puny_Humans

This is somewhat significant in that it shows Trump associations with “prosperity gospel” types, so could be useful if this issue raised by GPH continues.

However GPH did say in his OP that Trump has such ties (so it’s not that controversial, at least as far as GPH’s post is concerned) and also Trump isn’t running as a “conservative Christian” candidate, as his supporters are all too happy, maybe even gleeful, to point out. Kinda makes one wonder, actually, how important “social conservativism” is to some people. But I digress.

Thanks Catherine, it’s a useful post in among a sea of backbiting (on both sides really). Useful because it also sheds a little perspective on the “Dominionism”, the subject of the OP. Perhaps there are some shades of that movement to consider here, some of which aren’t “prosperity gospel” but merely re-emphasis on core Christian values. It’s just not “denominational”, which maybe irks some.

You also raise the criticism of “guilt by association” being used against Cruz here. The third to articulately do so, if not more in less than cooth manners.

I’d like to see you respond to it GPH. Is it, alone, a good enough reason to dismiss Cruz? If so then the further associations Catherine points out here must be considered wrt Trump. How many are too many (for Trump)?

I think I’ve read enough of the thread. I’ll await your response (if any).


973 posted on 01/04/2016 12:26:47 PM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: editor-surveyor
Ugh, let me see "NO profanity, NO personal attacks" ... vulgarity and attacking a forum member personally are against forum rules. You get moderated much?

Cruz voted for the Corker bill! It would have taken 2/3 vote in the Senate otherwise. Not only that, it now takes 2/3 vote to stop it.

Cruz voted for Corker. Where Corker now stands in process is completely and totally insignificant - or, are you trying to say that Cruz, as prophet, has the Godly gift of future vision in all things secular and otherwise.

974 posted on 01/04/2016 12:28:11 PM PST by Lagmeister ( false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders Mark 13:22)
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To: free_life
Trump continues to say ALL illegals must be deported including anchor babies. How is that amnesty for illegals?

You obviously did NOT read the links I gave you.

From FrontPage, a very solid conservative site:

Trump offers McCain talking points about jobs Americans won't do

We have to bring great people into this country, okay? And I want to bring — I love the idea of immigration, but it�€™s got to be legal immigration. Now, a lot of these people are helping us, whether it�€™s the grapes, or whether it�€™s jobs, and sometimes it�€™s jobs, in all fairness, I love our country, but sometimes it�€™s jobs that a citizen of the United States doesn�€™t want to do. I mean, there are jobs that a lot of people don�€™t want to do. I want to move them out, and we�€™re going to move them back in, and let them be legal,

During Friday's interview, Trump said the U.S. should take a two-step approach to the 11 million undocumented immigrants currently living in the country.

“Well, the first thing we do is take the bad ones — of which there are, unfortunately, quite a few,” said Trump, who owns three New Jersey golf courses and once owned three Atlantic City casinos. “We take the bad ones and get ‘em the hell out. We get ‘em out.”

But he said the country should take a different approach with “the other ones” — i.e., undocumented immigrants who have “done a good job” since arriving in the U.S.

“I'm a very big believer in the merit system,” Trump said. “I have to tell you: Some of these people have been here, they've done a good job. You know, in some cases, sadly, they've been living under the shadows. ... If somebody’s been outstanding, we try and work something out.

www.frontpagemag.com/point/259589/donald-trump-endorses-amnesty-illegal-aliens-daniel-greenfield

Yup. Donald “John McCain” Amnesty Trump in action. And all this was in June, AFTER he'd announced he was running for president.

975 posted on 01/04/2016 12:38:59 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Cold Heat
the yes vote on passage meant nothing..IMO

What would a no vote have meant?

976 posted on 01/04/2016 12:47:54 PM PST by itsahoot (Anyone receiving a Woo! Woo! for President has never won anything after the award.)
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To: odawg
Then he has the gall to immediately turn from his vote and condemn the bill.

He condemned the bill from the start. He filed a amendment and voted against cloture.

His amendment was not agreed to and he voted with 99% of the senate for the bill.

I will and have agreed that he (in retrospect and for clarity) should have joined Cotton and voted against the bill, but like I stated, there was something going on that I am not privy to.

Cotton, newly elected, was the only Senator to vote against the bill, yet cottons conservative creds are not half of what Cruz's are. Mike Lee also voted for the bill.

So your guess is as good as mine, and I refuse to nickel and dime Cruz on this in favor of a guy who is not only a newly minted republican, but has absolutely no political track record at all to criticize in this same way.

977 posted on 01/04/2016 12:50:47 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: SmokingJoe

Ted Cruz for President! Woo! Woo! see tag



978 posted on 01/04/2016 12:51:17 PM PST by itsahoot (Anyone receiving a Woo! Woo! for President has never won anything after the award.)
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To: itsahoot

That’s the entire point....a no vote would have meant nothing..


979 posted on 01/04/2016 12:51:28 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: itsahoot

I’ll see you the woo, woo and give it to the Donald..


980 posted on 01/04/2016 12:53:53 PM PST by Cold Heat
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