Romney re-enters GOP fray

nbcnews.com ^ | 8/7/13 | Michael )'Brien

[illiac]

The presidential election ended almost nine months ago, but Mitt Romney re-emerged Tuesday to continue his fight against President Barack Obama’s policies and assert himself as a Republican Party elder at a time when the party is struggling to find its path forward.

Romney sought to re-establish himself as a force within the GOP with a speech in the politically crucial state of New Hampshire, weighing in on the fractious battles to play out within the Republican Party since last November.

The former Massachusetts governor most pointedly sought to tamp down a charge led by Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, and Tea Party conservatives, who have vowed not to fund the government — risking a government shutdown — unless Obama's health care law is defunded.

[bicyclerepair]

This woman expresses my view on Willard exactly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjJ27P4mXWM

[DoughtyOne]

I don’t totally disagree with your premise. And that’s not to infer I disagree with it in a major way either. I don’t.

The one thing I’ll touch on, is that I don’t think we have a 50/50 situation. I think we have more of a 80/20 situation, with a good many people uncertain what Conservatism really is these days.

Of course Conservatism shouldn’t change, but the term has been so abused by people like, McCain, Romney, Bush, and other lesser player in public, that it’s nearly impossible to form a good basis of understanding, unless you spend time on it, and lots of time if you really want to see clearly what is going on.

I’d say less than 5% of the populace really understands Conservatism and prefers it over anything else.

You’ve got a number of folks who are luke warm Conservatives, who think they get it. Sadly, they regularly vote for the idiots that are nominated in the party, and probably do more harm than good.

[DoughtyOne]

Girl’s on fire isn’t she.

[USS Johnston]

You’ve got a number of folks who are luke warm Conservatives, who think they get it. Sadly, they regularly vote for the idiots that are nominated in the party, and probably do more harm than good.

"Luke-warm" doesn't cut it. By definition, they are committed to NOTHING, NADA. They hold no fort, drawn no line in the sand.

If I understand you gist ...that you believe most (80/20) of the Congressional Republicans are actually more "conservatives"; Well I totally disagree with you, and the proof has been in the pudding since 2004, when Bush and the Pubbies finally owned all three Executive, House, and Senate branches...and accomplished NOTHING to promote conservatism. They still yield to 0bama at every turn sooner or later.

Moreover, Boehner, McConnell, Cantor, McCain, and Graham exlusively control the direction of the GOP. Moreover, the RNC selection of Romney, McCain, Bush, and Dole (ALL Dem-lite candidates) to oppose Democrats is a dead give-away.

The evidence is overwhelming: The GOPe rubs the Republican Party, and they are...SUBVERSIVE Trojan Horse Globalists who oppose US Sovereignty and conservatism.

[ClearCase_guy]

+1

[USS Johnston]

I’d say less than 5% of the populace really understands Conservatism and prefers it over anything else.

You’ve got a number of folks who are luke warm Conservatives, who think they get it. Sadly, they regularly vote for the idiots that are nominated in the party, and probably do more harm than good.

More than that, brutha; FAR more than that....

They are frustrated beyond belief. And the number is more like 20%, and it is a passionate 20%, which has obviously alarmed the minions of both the Dem and GOPe Machination of co-collaborators.

IMO, they (we) have been cornered into voting between false dichotomy of "lesser of two evils." Romney vs. 0bama? REEEEALY?? McCaain vs. 0bama?? Come on! THAT has been by design.

[DoughtyOne]

You’ve got a number of folks who are luke warm Conservatives, who think they get it. Sadly, they regularly vote for the idiots that are nominated in the party, and probably do more harm than good.

"Luke-warm" doesn't cut it. By definition, they are committed to NOTHING, NADA. They hold no fort, drawn no line in the sand.

If I understand you gist ...that you believe most (80/20) of the Congressional Republicans are actually more "conservatives"; Well I totally disagree with you, and the proof has been in the pudding since 2004, when Bush and the Pubbies finally owned all three Executive, House, and Senate branches...and accomplished NOTHING to promote conservatism. They still yield to 0bama at every turn sooner or later.

No, when you took it that I was referring to our elected leaders in Congress, you went off track.  I was referencing the part of the Republican public who get it.  Some folks get it because they were raised with morals.  Others get it because they understand the ideological arguments, and dismiss Liberalism/Marxism/Communism/Islamism.  20% of Republicans understand.  80% do not.  As for Congress, it is appearant that almost none of them truly get it, in the Senate (has been lost for a long time) and now the House seems just as bad.  It's a Conservatism free zone in Washington, D. C.

Moreover, Boehner, McConnell, Cantor, McCain, and Graham exlusively control the direction of the GOP. Moreover, the RNC selection of Romney, McCain, Bush, and Dole (ALL Dem-lite candidates) to oppose Democrats is a dead give-away.

I don't disagree with the first premise in spirit although I'd add a few names.  On the second part, exactly!

The evidence is overwhelming: The GOPe runs the Republican Party, and they are...SUBVERSIVE Trojan Horse Globalists who oppose US Sovereignty and conservatism.

I agree.

[USS Johnston]

Thanks...

Many of us have had it with accepting the GOPe's annual Kabuki Theater where the agenda and co-collorators of the Dems and Gloabalist GOPe are kneeled upon at the Altar of Subjugation and Statism.

There needs to be an immediate and serious purge -- beginning within the whoring bowels of the RNC/GOPe. Then onto jettisoning puppets Boehner, his mini-me, Canter, McConnell, and of course McCain and his wife, Lady Lindsey.

Conservative Republicans MUST take the initiative away from the GOPe. ASAP. This is a war that must be waged. Otherwise we are all DOA after Amnesty.

[DoughtyOne]

I’d say less than 5% of the populace really understands Conservatism and prefers it over anything else.

Even though our recent elections don't verify this, I'm still going to address the public as being 40/40/20.  Of course that's the old Dems/Repubs/Indepents thought process.  I don't think recent elections make it seem like this formula continues, but then we've had hard core Leftists running against middle to left leaning Leftists at least since Dole.  If we would have had a brash young Repubican worth his salt, we would have had a much better showing.  Independents would have broken more evenly, and nearly all Republicans would have stayed on the plantation.

Now take 20% of 40%,  That's 8%.  I'm not going to quibble with you whether it's 8% or 5%.  (remember, you set the parameter to be "POPULACE" above) 

You’ve got a number of folks who are luke warm Conservatives, who think they get it. Sadly, they regularly vote for the idiots that are nominated in the party, and probably do more harm than good.

More than that, brutha; FAR more than that....

Once again, remember if 8% of the populace truly gets Conservatism, that means that 92% doesn't.  It also means that 32% of that 40% doesn't get it, just within our party alone.  That's 80%.

They are frustrated beyond belief. And the number is more like 20%, and it is a passionate 20%, which has obviously alarmed the minions of both the Dem and GOPe Machination of co-collaborators. IMO, they (we) have been cornered into voting between false dichotomy of "lesser of two evils." Romney vs. 0bama? REEEEALY?? McCaain vs. 0bama?? Come on! THAT has been by design.

I agree.

[USS Johnston]

No, when you took it that I was referring to our elected leaders in Congress, you went off track. I was referencing the part of the Republican public who get it. Some folks get it because they were raised with morals. Others get it because they understand the ideological arguments, and dismiss Liberalism/Marxism/Communism/Islamism. 20% of Republicans understand. 80% do not. As for Congress, it is appearant that almost none of them truly get it, in the Senate (has been lost for a long time) and now the House seems just as bad. It's a Conservatism free zone in Washington, D. C.

Thanks for the clarification, D1....

Republicans vote against Dems and their subversive agenda by default; Its your opinion that 80% of the voting Pubbies are NOT privy to the ideological subversiveness of the Dem Party, while indifferent to the dangers of "Liberalism/Marxism/Communism/Islamism". Correct me if I'm wrong in interpreting your intent.

Where I disagree with you is in the degree that Republican voters know the REAL score; By default they've been forced to vote for the "lesser of two evils." That is NOT what Dem vs. Pubbie should be, and they know it. But it's become worse than that....

Congress DOES "get it", which brings up the question: Why IS DC a "Conservatism free zone"??

These days Pubbies like McCain are traveling to Syria and carrying 0bama's water; They are supporting the illegal surveillance policies; They are less than outraged at abuses of the IRS, NSA, Benghazi, Fast & Furious, the leaked "memo" that indicted conservatives as "Terrorists." Republican Leaders are yielding on Amnesty.

They. Are. NOT. Acting. On. OUR. Behalf. WHY NIOT??

Why are they enabling Evil to go on unchecked and allowing 0bama's Admin to further abuse the USCON?

Ignoring any one of several scandals should have rightfully AND legally have begun Impeachment proceeding. Instead, all we've seen is smoke and mirrors from Republican "leadership", and aiding and abetting TREASON. And I repeat; Congress DOES "get it" -- that is most troubling.

As to the rest of our discussion, we seem to be in agreement.

[X-spurt]

All I can say is, if Romney thought nobama cleaned his clock, wait til Ted demonstrates how to use those Tony Llamas. They ain’t just made for walking.

[DoughtyOne]

No, when you took it that I was referring to our elected leaders in Congress, you went off track. I was referencing the part of the Republican public who get it. Some folks get it because they were raised with morals. Others get it because they understand the ideological arguments, and dismiss Liberalism/Marxism/Communism/Islamism. 20% of Republicans understand. 80% do not. As for Congress, it is appearant that almost none of them truly get it, in the Senate (has been lost for a long time) and now the House seems just as bad. It's a Conservatism free zone in Washington, D. C.

Thanks for the clarification, D1....

Republicans vote against Dems and their subversive agenda by default; Its your opinion that 80% of the voting Pubbies are NOT privy to the ideological subversiveness of the Dem Party, while indifferent to the dangers of "Liberalism/Marxism/Communism/Islamism". Correct me if I'm wrong in interpreting your intent.

I wouldn't put it that way.  I just think the 80% of the Republicans vote for the party nominee by wrote.  They don't need to know more.  It's the Republican nominee.  What else do we need to know?  They honestly don't think there's more to know.

Where I disagree with you is in the degree that Republican voters know the REAL score; By default they've been forced to vote for the "lesser of two evils." That is NOT what Dem vs. Pubbie should be, and they know it. But it's become worse than that....

Congress DOES "get it", which brings up the question: Why IS DC a "Conservatism free zone"??

I remain unconvinced that Congress (the Republican wing) does get it.  Witness immigration reform, Obamacare defunding, NSA Spying...  We've got some very clueless bastards in there these days.  There would be open rebellion in the House right now if more than a very few Representatives grasped the issues as a Conservative should.

These days Pubbies like McCain are traveling to Syria and carrying 0bama's water; They are supporting the illegal surveillance policies; They are less than outraged at abuses of the IRS, NSA, Benghazi, Fast & Furious, the leaked "memo" that indicted conservatives as "Terrorists." Republican Leaders are yielding on Amnesty.

Absolutely!

They. Are. NOT. Acting. On. OUR. Behalf. WHY NIOT??

Because they are not well versed Conservatives.  You may be trying to lead me to the Rockerfeller paradigm, and I'm not going to avoid it if that's what you want to do.  The fact remains, at least IMO, that these are not America First Conservatives.

Why are they enabling Evil to go on unchecked and allowing 0bama's Admin to further abuse the USCON?

Once again, the fact remains, at least IMO, that these are not America First Conservatives.

Ignoring any one of several scandals should have rightfully AND legally have begun Impeachment proceeding. Instead, all we've seen is smoke and mirrors from Republican "leadership", and aiding and abetting TREASON. And I repeat; Congress DOES "get it" -- that is most troubling.I think we're talking past each other here.  You're saying they get it because they are going along with Leftist goals.  I say they don't get it because they are going along with Leftist goals.

Do they get Conservatism?  That's the question at hand.  No they don't.  You may think they do, but are ignoring it.  That's impossible.  If you get it, agree with it, you can't do anything else but support it.These folks don't support it.  They are not Conservatives.  They don't get the overpowering message of Conservatism.  Their heart is in another place.  They DON'T get it, like you and I get it.

As to the rest of our discussion, we seem to be in agreement.

I think we agree across the board more than you think we do.  We may express it different ways, but we're on the same page.

[stephenjohnbanker]

I am going to take a few minutes, and categorize a couple of things.

I separate Globalist scum, from American scum.

1) “Globalists” are rich individuals, international businesses, and global banks. They have no interest in American borders, sovereignty,, or American culture. They only care about making money, and accumulating power to make even MORE money.

Examples: Microsoft, Apple,Goldman Sachs, HSBC

Political Examples: Soros, McCain, GHWB, George W. Bush, Romney, Obama(bought stooge)

2) Chamber of Commerce, Country Club, Republicans. Sadly, these people used to be patriotic for the most part, but these days, they only care about themselves, and making money. They are for amnesty, because they get cheap labor, and force the American middle classes to pay ALL of the costs of illegal immigrant welfare, and crime.

Examples: home builders, various general contractors, farmer(cooperatives)
meat packers, fast food franchisees,poultry processors.

Political examples: Flake, McCain(again),Ryan, Rubio, Graham, Boehner, McConnell, Rove(bought whore)

The REAL problem, is that the Chamber of Commerce lobbyists(they just buy regional politicians), have teamed up with the GLOBALIST lobbyists (they buy and control WHOLE countries).

Thus, there is very little we can do to stop the “New World Order”, Agenda 21(global banks), unless we stop them NOW. We are at the crossroads with this “amnesty”. If we can’t stop it, the globalists will take the country, flood it with 50 million illiterate slobs who will gladly pay 21 % APR to buy cars, furniture,TV’s etc. Banks can’t make much money on a guy with a 750 credit score.

[Osage Orange]

Romney needs to go into the sunset!

[freedomfiter2]

That’s a funny thing for him to say.

[DoughtyOne]

I agree with your comments.  My one exception is that I like to refer to it as 'the One World Odor'.

It stinks.

[stephenjohnbanker]

” Witness immigration reform, Obamacare defunding, NSA Spying... We’ve got some very clueless bastards in there these days”

I respectfully submit that they are NOT clueless, they like their payoffs. They have been bought off, and will not risk losing their position. They know Obama is a gangster.

[luvie]

Hear-hear!!!

[USS Johnston]

I wouldn't put it that way. I just think the 80% of the Republicans vote for the party nominee by wrote. They don't need to know more. It's the Republican nominee. What else do we need to know? They honestly don't think there's more to know.

I know. Pull the lever for the (R) instinctively. I'd agree with that characterization. But its in the promary where the fun and games begins, and the RNC-GOPe select THEIR nominee. This, The Fix is in before it's GOP vs. Dem. Ergo, the activism and outrage against the GOPe/RNC manipulation must preempt this vote and begin in the primary.

I remain unconvinced that Congress (the Republican wing) does get it. Witness immigration reform, Obamacare defunding, NSA Spying... We've got some very clueless bastards in there these days. There would be open rebellion in the House right now if more than a very few Representatives grasped the issues as a Conservative should.

Q: DO they "get it" and simply are intimidated/compensated with 30 pieces of silver to vote with the GOPe/Rockefeller Elites? ARE they Trojan Horse subversives? Or are they truly THIS ignorant? Could be all of the above.

Any "open rebellion" by those who truly care about America could well be tempered by threats of blackmail, removal from positions of power, and...financial considerations. Patriotism appears to be far down on the list, apparently and sadly.

You may be trying to lead me to the Rockerfeller paradigm, and I'm not going to avoid it if that's what you want to do. The fact remains, at least IMO, that these are not America First Conservatives.

We're left with fast-tracking a solution if we're right (and I believe we are.) Is it possible at this late juncture?

I think we're talking past each other here. You're saying they get it because they are going along with Leftist goals. I say they don't get it because they are going along with Leftist goals.

Do they get Conservatism? That's the question at hand. No they don't. You may think they do, but are ignoring it.

I may have just preemptively answered your questions. The process begins in the primaries. D1, do you recall the controversy in NY state when Newt and the GOPe/RNC were exposed trying to support liberal Dede Scozzafaza and failed? I think that singular example is how and why the GOP opposes conservatism AND obviously refuses to support conservative in Primaries. Our voters are then left with the default "lesser of two evils." On a grander scale, it was Romney.

These folks don't support it. They are not Conservatives. They don't get the overpowering message of Conservatism. Their heart is in another place. They DON'T get it, like you and I get it.

Again -- the root of this cycle begins in the RNC-GOPe Rockefeller machination. Expose just who is behind THAT curtain, and things change. I'm afraid it'll take rash actions to tear out the guts of that operation and real power behind the scene.

I think we agree across the board more than you think we do. We may express it different ways, but we're on the same page.

I believe that, D1. We're on the same team. It's just a mess of dynamics that's difficult to articulate. Thanks for your perspective as usual.

[USS Johnston]

I respectfully submit that they are NOT clueless, they like their payoffs. They have been bought off, and will not risk losing their position. They know Obama is a gangster.

Don't forget the degree of cowardice of many, threats, and indifference (which have all been mentioned.)

Not all Republicans are required to succumb -- just those in the position of power and influence like the usual suspects of whom kiss the media's azz. This while delivering token, temporary, and insincere resistance before lifting up their skirts and bending over.