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No, when you took it that I was referring to our elected leaders in Congress, you went off track. I was referencing the part of the Republican public who get it. Some folks get it because they were raised with morals. Others get it because they understand the ideological arguments, and dismiss Liberalism/Marxism/Communism/Islamism. 20% of Republicans understand. 80% do not. As for Congress, it is appearant that almost none of them truly get it, in the Senate (has been lost for a long time) and now the House seems just as bad. It's a Conservatism free zone in Washington, D. C.

Thanks for the clarification, D1....

Republicans vote against Dems and their subversive agenda by default; Its your opinion that 80% of the voting Pubbies are NOT privy to the ideological subversiveness of the Dem Party, while indifferent to the dangers of "Liberalism/Marxism/Communism/Islamism". Correct me if I'm wrong in interpreting your intent.

I wouldn't put it that way. I just think the 80% of the Republicans vote for the party nominee by wrote. They don't need to know more. It's the Republican nominee. What else do we need to know? They honestly don't think there's more to know.

Where I disagree with you is in the degree that Republican voters know the REAL score; By default they've been forced to vote for the "lesser of two evils." That is NOT what Dem vs. Pubbie should be, and they know it. But it's become worse than that....

Congress DOES "get it", which brings up the question: Why IS DC a "Conservatism free zone"??

I remain unconvinced that Congress (the Republican wing) does get it. Witness immigration reform, Obamacare defunding, NSA Spying... We've got some very clueless bastards in there these days. There would be open rebellion in the House right now if more than a very few Representatives grasped the issues as a Conservative should.

These days Pubbies like McCain are traveling to Syria and carrying 0bama's water; They are supporting the illegal surveillance policies; They are less than outraged at abuses of the IRS, NSA, Benghazi, Fast & Furious, the leaked "memo" that indicted conservatives as "Terrorists." Republican Leaders are yielding on Amnesty.

Absolutely!

They. Are. NOT. Acting. On. OUR. Behalf. WHY NIOT??

Because they are not well versed Conservatives. You may be trying to lead me to the Rockerfeller paradigm, and I'm not going to avoid it if that's what you want to do. The fact remains, at least IMO, that these are not America First Conservatives.

Why are they enabling Evil to go on unchecked and allowing 0bama's Admin to further abuse the USCON?

Once again, the fact remains, at least IMO, that these are not America First Conservatives.

Ignoring any one of several scandals should have rightfully AND legally have begun Impeachment proceeding. Instead, all we've seen is smoke and mirrors from Republican "leadership", and aiding and abetting TREASON. And I repeat; Congress DOES "get it" -- that is most troubling.I think we're talking past each other here. You're saying they get it because they are going along with Leftist goals. I say they don't get it because they are going along with Leftist goals.

Do they get Conservatism? That's the question at hand. No they don't. You may think they do, but are ignoring it. That's impossible. If you get it, agree with it, you can't do anything else but support it.These folks don't support it. They are not Conservatives. They don't get the overpowering message of Conservatism. Their heart is in another place. They DON'T get it, like you and I get it.

As to the rest of our discussion, we seem to be in agreement.

I think we agree across the board more than you think we do. We may express it different ways, but we're on the same page.

” Witness immigration reform, Obamacare defunding, NSA Spying... We’ve got some very clueless bastards in there these days”

I respectfully submit that they are NOT clueless, they like their payoffs. They have been bought off, and will not risk losing their position. They know Obama is a gangster.

I wouldn't put it that way. I just think the 80% of the Republicans vote for the party nominee by wrote. They don't need to know more. It's the Republican nominee. What else do we need to know? They honestly don't think there's more to know.

I know. Pull the lever for the (R) instinctively. I'd agree with that characterization. But its in the promary where the fun and games begins, and the RNC-GOPe select THEIR nominee. This, The Fix is in before it's GOP vs. Dem. Ergo, the activism and outrage against the GOPe/RNC manipulation must preempt this vote and begin in the primary.

I remain unconvinced that Congress (the Republican wing) does get it. Witness immigration reform, Obamacare defunding, NSA Spying... We've got some very clueless bastards in there these days. There would be open rebellion in the House right now if more than a very few Representatives grasped the issues as a Conservative should.

Q: DO they "get it" and simply are intimidated/compensated with 30 pieces of silver to vote with the GOPe/Rockefeller Elites? ARE they Trojan Horse subversives? Or are they truly THIS ignorant? Could be all of the above.

Any "open rebellion" by those who truly care about America could well be tempered by threats of blackmail, removal from positions of power, and...financial considerations. Patriotism appears to be far down on the list, apparently and sadly.

You may be trying to lead me to the Rockerfeller paradigm, and I'm not going to avoid it if that's what you want to do. The fact remains, at least IMO, that these are not America First Conservatives.

We're left with fast-tracking a solution if we're right (and I believe we are.) Is it possible at this late juncture?

I think we're talking past each other here. You're saying they get it because they are going along with Leftist goals. I say they don't get it because they are going along with Leftist goals.

Do they get Conservatism? That's the question at hand. No they don't. You may think they do, but are ignoring it.

I may have just preemptively answered your questions. The process begins in the primaries. D1, do you recall the controversy in NY state when Newt and the GOPe/RNC were exposed trying to support liberal Dede Scozzafaza and failed? I think that singular example is how and why the GOP opposes conservatism AND obviously refuses to support conservative in Primaries. Our voters are then left with the default "lesser of two evils." On a grander scale, it was Romney.

These folks don't support it. They are not Conservatives. They don't get the overpowering message of Conservatism. Their heart is in another place. They DON'T get it, like you and I get it.

Again -- the root of this cycle begins in the RNC-GOPe Rockefeller machination. Expose just who is behind THAT curtain, and things change. I'm afraid it'll take rash actions to tear out the guts of that operation and real power behind the scene.

I think we agree across the board more than you think we do. We may express it different ways, but we're on the same page.

I believe that, D1. We're on the same team. It's just a mess of dynamics that's difficult to articulate. Thanks for your perspective as usual.