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To: DoughtyOne
I wouldn't put it that way. I just think the 80% of the Republicans vote for the party nominee by wrote. They don't need to know more. It's the Republican nominee. What else do we need to know? They honestly don't think there's more to know.

I know. Pull the lever for the (R) instinctively. I'd agree with that characterization. But its in the promary where the fun and games begins, and the RNC-GOPe select THEIR nominee. This, The Fix is in before it's GOP vs. Dem. Ergo, the activism and outrage against the GOPe/RNC manipulation must preempt this vote and begin in the primary.

I remain unconvinced that Congress (the Republican wing) does get it. Witness immigration reform, Obamacare defunding, NSA Spying... We've got some very clueless bastards in there these days. There would be open rebellion in the House right now if more than a very few Representatives grasped the issues as a Conservative should.

Q: DO they "get it" and simply are intimidated/compensated with 30 pieces of silver to vote with the GOPe/Rockefeller Elites? ARE they Trojan Horse subversives? Or are they truly THIS ignorant? Could be all of the above.

Any "open rebellion" by those who truly care about America could well be tempered by threats of blackmail, removal from positions of power, and...financial considerations. Patriotism appears to be far down on the list, apparently and sadly.

You may be trying to lead me to the Rockerfeller paradigm, and I'm not going to avoid it if that's what you want to do. The fact remains, at least IMO, that these are not America First Conservatives.

We're left with fast-tracking a solution if we're right (and I believe we are.) Is it possible at this late juncture?

I think we're talking past each other here. You're saying they get it because they are going along with Leftist goals. I say they don't get it because they are going along with Leftist goals.

Do they get Conservatism? That's the question at hand. No they don't. You may think they do, but are ignoring it.

I may have just preemptively answered your questions. The process begins in the primaries. D1, do you recall the controversy in NY state when Newt and the GOPe/RNC were exposed trying to support liberal Dede Scozzafaza and failed? I think that singular example is how and why the GOP opposes conservatism AND obviously refuses to support conservative in Primaries. Our voters are then left with the default "lesser of two evils." On a grander scale, it was Romney.

These folks don't support it. They are not Conservatives. They don't get the overpowering message of Conservatism. Their heart is in another place. They DON'T get it, like you and I get it.

Again -- the root of this cycle begins in the RNC-GOPe Rockefeller machination. Expose just who is behind THAT curtain, and things change. I'm afraid it'll take rash actions to tear out the guts of that operation and real power behind the scene.

I think we agree across the board more than you think we do. We may express it different ways, but we're on the same page.

I believe that, D1. We're on the same team. It's just a mess of dynamics that's difficult to articulate. Thanks for your perspective as usual.

79 posted on 08/07/2013 2:33:17 PM PDT by USS Johnston (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke)
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To: USS Johnston; stephenjohnbanker
I wouldn't put it that way. I just think the 80% of the Republicans vote for the party nominee by wrote. They don't need to know more. It's the Republican nominee. What else do we need to know? They honestly don't think there's more to know.

I know. Pull the lever for the (R) instinctively. I'd agree with that characterization. But its in the promary where the fun and games begins, and the RNC-GOPe select THEIR nominee. This, The Fix is in before it's GOP vs. Dem. Ergo, the activism and outrage against the GOPe/RNC manipulation must preempt this vote and begin in the primary.

I agree with that.  The Republicans have allowed the Democrats to enter their nominating process without so much as a whimper.  Small states that are easily gamed, because they are much easier to saturate, carry way too much clout in the early process.  A state that doesn't have more than six electoral votes, can all but eliminate some of the best we have with a limited war chest.  That's dead wrong.  Some of these small states, God love ya, but you have screwed us over so many times it's patently absurd to let you do it again.  Does the RNC even hint that they grasp any of this?  No.  

This is something that needs to be addressed and changed.

I remain unconvinced that Congress (the Republican wing) does get it. Witness immigration reform, Obamacare defunding, NSA Spying... We've got some very clueless bastards in there these days. There would be open rebellion in the House right now if more than a very few Representatives grasped the issues as a Conservative should.

Q: DO they "get it" and simply are intimidated/compensated with 30 pieces of silver to vote with the GOPe/Rockefeller Elites? ARE they Trojan Horse subversives? Or are they truly THIS ignorant? Could be all of the above.

I don't know.  How do you quantify it.  I could tell you what my suspicioins are, but they'd be wild guesses.  I'm not that much of an insider.  I can only tell what it looks like to me, and another person could come up with something else that would sound quite reasoned.

Any "open rebellion" by those who truly care about America could well be tempered by threats of blackmail, removal from positions of power, and...financial considerations. Patriotism appears to be far down on the list, apparently and sadly.

Yes, it could be.  Now, is that true, or is it just that we have a clueless ass-hat clow as Speaker?  Or is it perhaps that he has been manipulated by the Rockerfeller operatives?  Is it the Rockerfellers, the Bilderbergers, the Iluminati, or the Masons... and this is the short list.

Is it another group so far un-named?  Heck, is it the all the above?  This is why I shy away from going all-in here.

You may be trying to lead me to the Rockerfeller paradigm, and I'm not going to avoid it if that's what you want to do. The fact remains, at least IMO, that these are not America First Conservatives.

We're left with fast-tracking a solution if we're right (and I believe we are.) Is it possible at this late juncture?

I tend to doubt it.  The more correct you are, the more time these groups have a jump on you.  We're talking groups who have been around for 60 plus years all the way up to thousands of years.

Every once in a while a guy comes out of the blue to surprise even them.  Ronald Reagan was such a man.  George Bush was their guy in 1980.  Reagan set him up and mowed him down.  Did my heart good to see it.  I knew even then exactly what Reagan was accomplishing against the odds, and it was a Conservative's feast to watch it.

I think we're talking past each other here. You're saying they get it because they are going along with Leftist goals. I say they don't get it because they are going along with Leftist goals.

Do they get Conservatism? That's the question at hand. No they don't. You may think they do, but are ignoring it.

I may have just preemptively answered your questions. The process begins in the primaries. D1, do you recall the controversy in NY state when Newt and the GOPe/RNC were exposed trying to support liberal Dede Scozzafaza and failed? I think that singular example is how and why the GOP opposes conservatism AND obviously refuses to support conservative in Primaries. Our voters are then left with the default "lesser of two evils." On a grander scale, it was Romney.

Along the lines of what you have postulated, a group from behind the scenes can also manipulate the primaries.  I would submit that if these people are doing what you think they are, they have masterminded the process so that our people do not prevail in the primaries.  Perhaps that's what you're trying to say, without actually coming out and making that clear.  I don't know for sure.

These folks don't support it. They are not Conservatives. They don't get the overpowering message of Conservatism. Their heart is in another place. They DON'T get it, like you and I get it.

Again -- the root of this cycle begins in the RNC-GOPe Rockefeller machination. Expose just who is behind THAT curtain, and things change. I'm afraid it'll take rash actions to tear out the guts of that operation and real power behind the scene.

I'd like to think it's as simple as blaming it on a Rockefeller conspiracy.  I'm not quite as firm on that.  There are vaious and numerous manipulators out there.  We probably don't know the half of it.  Individuals as well as groups wield a lot of power.  Pay to play is a powerful tool.

I think we agree across the board more than you think we do. We may express it different ways, but we're on the same page.I believe that, D1. We're on the same team. It's just a mess of dynamics that's difficult to articulate. Thanks for your perspective as usual.

Yes, I do believe there is a mess of dynamics involved.  Thank you too.



96 posted on 08/07/2013 4:00:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today, from behind the Camelskin Curtain.)
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