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Rivers in Oregon don’t dry up, I don’t see what the concern could be.
Here we go again.
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“...but some are more equal than others”
So it sounds like the Klamath Indians want the salmon and the hydro plant operators want the water, and it’s impossible to have both.
That’s the doctrine of prior appropriation for ya’.
What’s up with this?? Dang!
I was there in 2001 when we fought to end the turn-off then and force the government to the table. I tried to tell then at that time that they needed to sue for the irrigation works to be transferred to the farmers because they had long since been paid off.
Some of the farmers and ranchers wanted to deal with the government and the Indians and come to a mutually acceptable decision. I did not agree with it then, and do not agree with it now. But it was the decision that they made.
Problem is that the farmers who did not agree to this, but had it placed upon them by their own, are the ones who will now suffer the most.
Sad, sad day. Mike Conners is an environmental, legal type who was appointed by Salazar, who himself has since been replaced as the Secretary of Interior by he former CEO of RCI, who herself is a rabid environmentalist.
The Stand at Klamath Falls
http://www.jeffhead.com/klamath/
This is surely bound to end well. Right?
The indians near Palm Springs are also claiming rights to the water of the cities in that desert area.
In Whatcom County, the leftist social engineers are suing over well rights in unincorporated areas. The social engineers claim that the county council zoning plan allows too many wells and are not in compliance with the GMA.
The problem with their thinking is that the wells don’t impact the streams or the Nooksack River, particularly in the area of the county where I live because there is an earthquake fault which runs from Sandy Point, all along Cherry Point to the other side of Birch Bay, which is caused by two tectonic plates which come together, sliding over the inland plate, putting all the water too deep to retreive.
In this particular case, the Upper Basin farmers joined the mid-Klamath people in opposition to the Klamath agreement. The Bureau of Reclamation Project farmers made the deal selling out the upper basin farmers and the mid-Klamath people by agreeing to take these upper farmer’s water and retire their lands and by agreeing to remove the three dams in the mid Klamath. It was a violation of trust and loyalty to all of these who had supported them in 2001.
The Klamath tribe ceded it territory to the US and retained water rights for hunting and fishing. Therefore, their “time immemorial” rights trump the upper basin farmers late 1880 rights. That is why those farmers are being shut down. Wyden is trying to use this as leverage to broker a deal to get the upper basin farmers to agree to the Klamath Agreement. This will give the Klamath tribe a National Forest in exchange for some of its water rights. They also want to promise the whole upper basin better electric rates by shifting the cost onto the mid-Klamath.
I am in the mid-Klamath. This is very dirty business and involves a great deal of betrayal.
CA non=pueblo tribes had their rights extinguished under Mexico. Their reservations were created by Executive Order and do not have time immemorial standing. Water rights date back only to the date of reservation creation and only for the purpose of the reservation.
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