Posted on 11/07/2011 8:35:43 PM PST by george76
The theory, in brief, is that the Obama administration deliberately pumped guns into Mexico through Operation Fast and Furious in an effort to create a justification to impose gun control measures. I boiled the theory down to this...:
1. Obama and Holder support gun control but needed a pretext to implement it.
2. The administration argued falsely in 2009 that U.S. guns made up 90 percent of those used in Mexican gun crimes. That was the same time when Operation Fast and Furious began.
3. By flooding Mexico with high-powered weapons they were able to justify restrictions on U.S. guns. In fact, in July 2011, the administration put in place a rule requiring border-state firearms dealers to report anyone who buys more than one assault-type rifle within a five-day period.
Those are the basic concepts that I could fit in the story, but there are a couple of other worthwhile points to make in support of the theory.
ATF agent and whistleblower Vince Cefalu, who spoke at a Sept. 26 Tucson Tea Party event ... supports the gun-control theory. One of his key points is his analysis of the goals of Fast and Furious and gunwalking: I dont know what they were thinking, because nothing they have portrayed they were thinking makes any sense. It defies logic, common sense.
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Another point, made to me by John Lott, the author of "More Guns, Less Crime," is that a variety of agencies became involved in Fast and Furious, including DEA and FBI. When multiple agencies become involved, Lott said, it becomes more necessary for political appointees in D.C. to consider and approve plans.
(Excerpt) Read more at azstarnet.com ...
That’s something I theorized a long time ago. Create a crisis and use it for a ban. Turns out they got caught.
Create a crisis and use it to justify a crackdown - OWS.
“How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth? - Sherlock Holmes
“It defies reason.” said Philby. “What reason?” said the Time Traveller
Using guns to track the machinations of criminals is iffy enough even with a good way to track them. Letting the cartel operatives have guns without any way to track them is really off, and the gun control theory is completely plausible. What else is there?
OK-in drug cartel related crimes where guns are used, are the guns most often left behind to end any ability to track them? Or do they sometimes not drop them, and hope ballistics won’t connect anything on the us border to something that happens in some place like columbia for example? Did the walking guns have ballistic testing before they walked?
Just a bizarre story.
FReegards
Socialism requires complete compliance.
Islam requires complete compliance and submission.
The U.N. wants to control all firearms.
THE WORLDS LARGEST ARMED FORCE!!!!
After the Japanese decimated our fleet in Pearl Harbor Dec 7, 1941, They could have sent their troop ships and carriers directly to California To finish what they started.
The prediction from our Chief of Staff was we would not be able to stop a Massive invasion until they reached the Mississippi River .
Remember, we had a 2 million man army and war ships ... All fighting the Germans. So, why did they not invade?
After the war, the remaining Japanese generals and admirals were asked that question. Their answer ...They know that almost every home had guns and the Americans knew how to use them..
The world’s largest army.... America ‘s hunters!
I had never thought about this.... A blogger added up the deer license sales in just a handful of states and Arrived at a striking conclusion: There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state of Wisconsin .. Allow me to restate that number.
Over the last several months, Wisconsin ‘s hunters became the eighth Largest army in the world.
More men under arms than in Iran ..
More than in France and Germany combined.
These men deployed to the woods of a single American state to hunt With firearms, and no one was killed.
That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods of Pennsylvania and Michigan ‘s 700,000 hunters All of whom have now returned home.
Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it literally
Establishes the fact that the hunters of those four states alone
Would comprise the largest army in the world.
The point?
America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower.
Hunting — it’s not just a way to fill the freezer.
It’s a matter of national security.
That’s why all enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us disarmed
The difference between a deer rifle and a sniper rifle is what you look at through the scope.
“America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower.
Hunting its not just a way to fill the freezer.
Its a matter of national security.
Thats why all enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us disarmed.”
Protect your second amendment rights , and limit government intrusion into those rights !
Your continued freedom depends on it ...
*I* classify it as what it truly is... *TREASON*...
the infowarrior
A truer word has never been spoken... Tyrants, and would be tyrants, take heed...
the infowarrior
He says that the idea that the government is incompetent enough to allow all those guns to go into Mexico with no way to track them is more incredible (unbelievable) than the idea that they did it for political purposes. Then he goes on to say that there could be other reasons that we don't know yet, and that the NRA is one of the sources of the concept that the Obama administration was pursuing political ends, so that means we should question that theory. After all, not all the facts are out yet.
I put forth that the other theory (arming our "allies" the Sinoloa drug cartel in return for favors unknown and/or yet to be fulfilled, such as civil unrest prior to an election) is HIGHLY unprobably, but still more likely than the idea that multi-agency bungling led to this mess.
So far, Occam's Razor points me toward the conclusion that Valerie Jarret and her VP, Obama, were pursuing political ends, the motivation for the Obama administration to the excluision of almost EVERYTHING ELSE. But a dual purpose (anti-Second Amendment along with winning friends in the Sinoloan drug cartel) is not beyond my speculation.
There are other reasons to believe our government may want Sinaloa on their side, but that is another thread entirely.
I MIGHT agree with you if it was ONLY Mexico and ONLY the Sinola Cartel...but it wasn’t. And other ops are comtinuing as we speak. These ops have involved several different marxist groups in different countries south of the border. So yes, there is FAR more to this than meets the eye.
Those crimes are due to US politics overflowing into Mexico. We seem to have more corruption in politicians these days than our borders can hold. Sure wish we were a Christian Nation again. I kinda liked the Mom and Apple Pie life of before.
I agree with you, I suspect that the FnF attack on the Second Admendment rights is too easy. I suspect that things may be much more sinister than they seem on the surface.
Rumors that gangs were armed inside the US, rumors of grenade smuggling, rumors of APC’s stockpiled in Mexico all fit with a planned invasion and overthrow of the United States, with the Marxists in power as part of the plan.
This may very well be treason, and the czars, like most czars before them, will end up their last day on earth swinging from a rope. Because I do not believe America will just roll over for these pukes. Roll over for them and you will die anyway, might as well take a few with you.
For God and Country!
This is The Red Star?????
Current? No thanks. I’d rather take your word for it.
“The only reason I can surmise is that our tax dollars paid for the guns. Who would pass up a freebie throw away crime gun (to be) among the Cartels?”.
There is another reason - it’s MUCH easier to bring them across the US border. Mexico controls all of it’s borders (other than to the US) very tightly. It leaves the border to the US wide open so that illegals can cross over into the US.
Bookmarking those stats.
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