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On the gun-control theory of ATF's Fast and Furious
Arizona Daily Star ^
| November 2, 2011
| Tim Steller
Posted on 11/07/2011 8:35:43 PM PST by george76
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posted on
11/07/2011 8:35:45 PM PST
by
george76
To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; ...
See John Lott's comments in the last paragraph...
JUST DO IT!
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posted on
11/07/2011 8:47:35 PM PST
by
MestaMachine
(obama kills)
To: neverdem; LucyT
Operation Fast and Furious
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posted on
11/07/2011 8:48:16 PM PST
by
george76
(Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
To: george76
That is the only thing which fits what was done. There could be no other reason for sending such large quantities of guns other than to push for gun control. They then claim those crimes were due to U.S. guns in Mexico.
I can’t see any other thing which fits the facts. The only other possibility and I don’t believe it would be to supply revolutionaries in Mexico.
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posted on
11/07/2011 8:49:24 PM PST
by
yarddog
To: george76
I’m having trouble linking to the source, but I am convinced that the current feds can f_ck up a crow bar in a sand pile, even if their motives are pure. In this case they were most definately not pure and the fruit of their motive rotted before their planned harvest.
I’d classify it as Sedition.
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posted on
11/07/2011 8:53:03 PM PST
by
One Name
To: george76
Hence, gunwalking was permitted in Operation Wide Receiver as well as Operation Fast and Furious.Bush did it too defense, will not work. Wide receiver did not run guns into Mexico.
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posted on
11/07/2011 9:03:02 PM PST
by
Texas Fossil
(Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
To: yarddog; jazusamo
Holder to call for tighter gun control in Fast & Furious testimony tomorrow
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posted on
11/07/2011 9:16:37 PM PST
by
george76
(Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
To: george76
Not a new tactic. LaPierre (NRA) accused Clinton of the same.
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posted on
11/07/2011 9:23:47 PM PST
by
Jumpmaster
(Defund the Left!)
To: george76
Where are the positive examples of this noble operation? /HEAVY SARCASM
Treason and pre-meditated, agenda-driven murder.
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posted on
11/07/2011 9:35:06 PM PST
by
PGalt
To: george76
Remember also that when Operation Wide Receiver was in operation under Bush they put tracer’s on EVERY gun, and got them back.
NONE of the guns Obama/Holder sent to Mexico had tracers on them. They never intended them to be traced, and they wanted no evidence on them the ATF was involved.
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posted on
11/07/2011 9:35:30 PM PST
by
RowdyFFC
To: MestaMachine; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...
See John Lott's comments in the last paragraph...
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posted on
11/07/2011 10:23:30 PM PST
by
LucyT
To: george76
The theory, in brief, is that the Obama administration deliberately pumped guns into Mexico through Operation Fast and Furious in an effort to create a justification to impose gun control measures Intuitively Obvious To The Most Casual Observer.
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posted on
11/07/2011 10:23:30 PM PST
by
Rytwyng
(I'm still fond of the United States. I just can't find it. -- Fred Reed)
To: george76
We are in the middle of two-year long national election. You’d think one of these yahoos would be creaming about this AT the media 24/7. Just one of them.
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posted on
11/07/2011 10:25:07 PM PST
by
Dogbert41
(Israel is real:))
To: yarddog
There could be no other reason for sending such large quantities of guns other than to push for gun control.Actually, there is another reason, and it would make F&F even uglier.
The feds claim over 2000 weapons bought with our money, and "sanitized" by eliminating all traces of criminality. How many have been recovered? What's to say that most of them are in some unmarked federal warehouse, or stored in the mail room at BATF and FBI offices all over the country.
It's a large stash of sanitized weapons with no "flags" on them, and never put in any database. Great for any time a throwdown "assault weapon" is needed. It can be traced right back to the FFL dealer, where the dealer will be blamed for it. The CIA would also like a supply of American weapons that can appear when needed, with no criminal history behind them.
It wasn't just "under the radar gun control". The other main advantage, which explains why so many agencies involved, was to establish a supply of photogenic Evil Black Rifle that can only be traced back to a legitimate dealer, who unfortunately wound up in jail, while the gun runner died from a bad case of "suicide by cop".
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posted on
11/07/2011 10:48:26 PM PST
by
300winmag
(Overkill Never Fails)
To: george76
In the first innings of this game, I asked why a person would buy an American gun from a dealer to export to Mexico? It would be so much cheaper to go to Chavez, or any one of a dozen other cheaper places if you are a drug dealer looking for guns. AK47's are all over the globe for less than $100. Even Somalia is overrun with guns, even rockets and machine guns. Nigeria, Ethiopia, Bolivia, Ecuador, you name it, they have guns. Maybe a .50 cal or some specialty gun would have to come from America, but the average assault rifle costs too much in the US.
I never dreamed the government would be providing the guns to Mexico, I thought they were just lying about the amount. Now it makes sense how the numbers are traced to the US,........ because Obama sold them. I would venture to say that the number of American guns in Mexico is more like 10% if you discount the thousands provided by Holder.
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posted on
11/07/2011 11:13:03 PM PST
by
chuckles
To: chuckles
I asked the same question because, as you pointed out: "
It would be so much cheaper to go to Chavez, or any one of a dozen other cheaper places if you are a drug dealer looking for guns."
The only reason I can surmise is that our tax dollars paid for the guns. Who would pass up a freebie throw away crime gun (to be) among the Cartels?
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posted on
11/08/2011 3:15:00 AM PST
by
Smokin' Joe
(How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
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posted on
11/08/2011 5:04:06 AM PST
by
Joe Brower
(Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
To: george76
My liberal family members are always talking about how conservatives are curtailing personal freedom. They cite limits on abortion, restrictions on Fetal Stem cell research, and the Patriot Act as examples. When I talk to them about Fast and Furious, they tell me that this type of thing is okay because it’s for the good of the public because guns are evil and cause murders.
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posted on
11/08/2011 5:23:38 AM PST
by
mbynack
(Retired USAF SMSgt)
To: Dogbert41
"We are in the middle of two-year long national election. Youd think one of these yahoos would be screaming about this AT the media 24/7. Just one of them."Just like they "screamed" about the violation of the Constitution's Article II requirement that the President be a natural born Citizen.
Do you really think that the treasonous republicans give a flying frick about anything but their own wealth and power?
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posted on
11/08/2011 5:24:25 AM PST
by
Godebert
To: MestaMachine
Please be aware that in the final few minutes of a recent Current TV documentary about arming the Mexican Drug Cartels which mostly contained liberal talking points, there was a brief moment when journalism was accidentally committed. This came when ATF agent Robert Champion told the reporter that the Fast & Furious guns permitted to go south of the border only made up a very small percentage of the total number of guns that flowed south. The reporter then asked the obvious followup question, namely what that percentage was. An embarrassed Champion then mumbled and fumbled for an answer when another ATF agent intervened and curtly informed them that they won't give that percentage.
It was quite a moment and this show will repeat on Current TV this Friday at 7 PM EST.
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posted on
11/08/2011 6:34:54 AM PST
by
PJ-Comix
(Free Depends for OWS Protesters)
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