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On the gun-control theory of ATF's Fast and Furious
Arizona Daily Star ^ | November 2, 2011 | Tim Steller

Posted on 11/07/2011 8:35:43 PM PST by george76

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To: george76

That’s something I theorized a long time ago. Create a crisis and use it for a ban. Turns out they got caught.


21 posted on 11/08/2011 7:40:32 AM PST by Darren McCarty (Anybody but Romney or Obama)
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To: Darren McCarty

Create a crisis and use it to justify a crackdown - OWS.


22 posted on 11/08/2011 7:42:08 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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23 posted on 11/08/2011 7:45:15 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: george76

“How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth? - Sherlock Holmes

“It defies reason.” said Philby. “What reason?” said the Time Traveller


24 posted on 11/08/2011 8:01:57 AM PST by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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To: MestaMachine

Using guns to track the machinations of criminals is iffy enough even with a good way to track them. Letting the cartel operatives have guns without any way to track them is really off, and the gun control theory is completely plausible. What else is there?

OK-in drug cartel related crimes where guns are used, are the guns most often left behind to end any ability to track them? Or do they sometimes not drop them, and hope ballistics won’t connect anything on the us border to something that happens in some place like columbia for example? Did the walking guns have ballistic testing before they walked?

Just a bizarre story.

FReegards


25 posted on 11/08/2011 8:04:24 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: MrB

Socialism requires complete compliance.
Islam requires complete compliance and submission.
The U.N. wants to control all firearms.

THE WORLDS LARGEST ARMED FORCE!!!!

After the Japanese decimated our fleet in Pearl Harbor Dec 7, 1941, They could have sent their troop ships and carriers directly to California To finish what they started.

The prediction from our Chief of Staff was we would not be able to stop a Massive invasion until they reached the Mississippi River .

Remember, we had a 2 million man army and war ships…... All fighting the Germans. So, why did they not invade?

After the war, the remaining Japanese generals and admirals were asked that question. Their answer…...They know that almost every home had guns and the Americans knew how to use them..

The world’s largest army.... America ‘s hunters!

I had never thought about this.... A blogger added up the deer license sales in just a handful of states and Arrived at a striking conclusion: There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state of Wisconsin .. Allow me to restate that number.

Over the last several months, Wisconsin ‘s hunters became the eighth Largest army in the world.

More men under arms than in Iran ..

More than in France and Germany combined.

These men deployed to the woods of a single American state to hunt With firearms, and no one was killed.

That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods of Pennsylvania and Michigan ‘s 700,000 hunters All of whom have now returned home.

Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it literally

Establishes the fact that the hunters of those four states alone

Would comprise the largest army in the world.

The point?

America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower.

Hunting — it’s not just a way to fill the freezer.

It’s a matter of national security.

That’s why all enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us disarmed


26 posted on 11/08/2011 8:08:40 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt ("There is no moderate Islam. Islam is Islam and thats that” from Mr. Erdogan(of Turkey))
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

The difference between a deer rifle and a sniper rifle is what you look at through the scope.


27 posted on 11/08/2011 8:10:48 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

“America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower.
Hunting — it’s not just a way to fill the freezer.
It’s a matter of national security.
That’s why all enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us disarmed.”

Protect your second amendment rights , and limit government intrusion into those rights !
Your continued freedom depends on it ...


28 posted on 11/08/2011 8:12:10 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt ("There is no moderate Islam. Islam is Islam and thats that” from Mr. Erdogan(of Turkey))
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To: One Name
I’d classify it as Sedition.

*I* classify it as what it truly is... *TREASON*...

the infowarrior

29 posted on 11/08/2011 10:06:33 AM PST by infowarrior
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To: MrB
The difference between a deer rifle and a sniper rifle is what you look at through the scope.

A truer word has never been spoken... Tyrants, and would be tyrants, take heed...

the infowarrior

30 posted on 11/08/2011 10:11:23 AM PST by infowarrior
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To: MestaMachine
Thank you for posting this article. I realize you did not write it. However, I would like to take issue with the author. So these comments are directed to all, not just the person who posted the article.

He says that the idea that the government is incompetent enough to allow all those guns to go into Mexico with no way to track them is more incredible (unbelievable) than the idea that they did it for political purposes. Then he goes on to say that there could be other reasons that we don't know yet, and that the NRA is one of the sources of the concept that the Obama administration was pursuing political ends, so that means we should question that theory. After all, not all the facts are out yet.

I put forth that the other theory (arming our "allies" the Sinoloa drug cartel in return for favors unknown and/or yet to be fulfilled, such as civil unrest prior to an election) is HIGHLY unprobably, but still more likely than the idea that multi-agency bungling led to this mess.

So far, Occam's Razor points me toward the conclusion that Valerie Jarret and her VP, Obama, were pursuing political ends, the motivation for the Obama administration to the excluision of almost EVERYTHING ELSE. But a dual purpose (anti-Second Amendment along with winning friends in the Sinoloan drug cartel) is not beyond my speculation.

There are other reasons to believe our government may want Sinaloa on their side, but that is another thread entirely.

31 posted on 11/08/2011 10:26:20 AM PST by txnuke
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I MIGHT agree with you if it was ONLY Mexico and ONLY the Sinola Cartel...but it wasn’t. And other ops are comtinuing as we speak. These ops have involved several different marxist groups in different countries south of the border. So yes, there is FAR more to this than meets the eye.


32 posted on 11/08/2011 10:48:47 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: yarddog
They then claim those crimes were due to U.S. guns in Mexico.

Those crimes are due to US politics overflowing into Mexico. We seem to have more corruption in politicians these days than our borders can hold. Sure wish we were a Christian Nation again. I kinda liked the Mom and Apple Pie life of before.

33 posted on 11/08/2011 12:19:58 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: MestaMachine

I agree with you, I suspect that the FnF attack on the Second Admendment rights is too easy. I suspect that things may be much more sinister than they seem on the surface.

Rumors that gangs were armed inside the US, rumors of grenade smuggling, rumors of APC’s stockpiled in Mexico all fit with a planned invasion and overthrow of the United States, with the Marxists in power as part of the plan.

This may very well be treason, and the czars, like most czars before them, will end up their last day on earth swinging from a rope. Because I do not believe America will just roll over for these pukes. Roll over for them and you will die anyway, might as well take a few with you.

For God and Country!


34 posted on 11/08/2011 12:31:49 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: george76

This is The Red Star?????


35 posted on 11/08/2011 12:51:00 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Cain = National Sales Tax; Perry = Amnesty for Illegals; Romney = Obamacare forever. Who's left?)
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To: PJ-Comix

Current? No thanks. I’d rather take your word for it.


36 posted on 11/08/2011 12:55:55 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Cain = National Sales Tax; Perry = Amnesty for Illegals; Romney = Obamacare forever. Who's left?)
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To: george76
Excellent debunking of the "guns to Mexico myth."

Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth

37 posted on 11/08/2011 1:11:08 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“The only reason I can surmise is that our tax dollars paid for the guns. Who would pass up a freebie throw away crime gun (to be) among the Cartels?”.

There is another reason - it’s MUCH easier to bring them across the US border. Mexico controls all of it’s borders (other than to the US) very tightly. It leaves the border to the US wide open so that illegals can cross over into the US.


38 posted on 11/08/2011 3:08:32 PM PST by MMaschin
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Bookmarking those stats.


39 posted on 11/08/2011 4:17:51 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: mbynack
The Patriot Act is one point they are spot on about; it is a huge pile of dung from which grew our current TSA (who by their very nature violate the 4th Amendment as a matter of standard procedure).
40 posted on 11/08/2011 4:20:07 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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