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Republican Presidential Debate #1 - May 5, 2011 - Greenville, South Carolina (Live Thread)

Posted on 05/05/2011 5:08:20 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture

Broadcast on: Fox News

Broadcast time: 9pm EDT/6pm PDT

The Candidates...

Gary Johnson

Johnson served as governor of New Mexico from 1995 to 2002. He founded what would become one of the largest construction companies in New Mexico. He has competed in several triathlons and climbed Mount Everest.

Herman Cain

Cain is the former chief executive of Godfather's Pizza and former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. He lost the Georgia Republican primary for a U.S. Senate seat in 2004. He was recently the host of Atlanta-based radio show.

Rick Santorum

Santorum served two terms in the U.S. House and two terms in the U.S. Senate. He became the Senate's third-ranking Republican in 2001. He was defeated for reelection in 2006.

Ron Paul

Paul is serving his 11th full term in the U.S. House. He’s an obstetrician-gynecologist and was the Libertarian nominee for president in 1988. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for president in 2008

Tim Pawlenty

Pawlenty served two terms as governor of Minnesota, from 2002 to 2010. He served in the Minnesota House from 1992 until 2002. He is the son of a truck driver.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: cain; debate; debates; garyjohnson; gopdebate; hermancain; johnson; paul; pawlenty; presidentialdebate; ricksantorum; ronpaul; santorum; scdebate; scgopdebate; timpawlenty
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To: Eagle of Liberty
I agree that Herman Cain is head and shoulders above Obama.

However, executive experience in government isn't quite the same as executive experience in business. A CEO has to work with the board of directors, but I doubt that Godfather's board of directors was made of up 435 members with all of the competing agendas that we find in Congress.

Mr. Cain certainly didn't show any decisiveness in his answer about Afghanistan. They weren't asking him to come up with a complete policy stated in one minute. They were asking him to show that he had studied the issue and had a coherent thought process. His answer was a one-minute long, debate equivalent of voting "present."

Herman Cain is a good man. I'd be proud to support him against Obama if he got the nomination. I see nothing to suggest that he's some kind of special winning candidate. He appeared to be a good man saying the right things but generally out of his league.

521 posted on 05/06/2011 8:43:44 AM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Eagle of Liberty

Bush listened to boots on the ground? Do you really need to be reminded of the long list of field commanders he removed, or had to resign, for asking for more troops (pre surge)?


522 posted on 05/06/2011 8:44:23 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

Cain hasn’t punted on anything. Did you see the focus group results? They were incredible. We’ve never seen a result like this. Cain won the first debate hands down! He crushed the RINOs.

Liberal Republican candidates may have a hard time getting their message out in comparison to Cain. Cain is much more clear, and has a level of authenticity they can’t match.

Why can’t the RINOs match his authenticity? Well, Liberal Republican’s like Romney, Huckabee, Newt, Pawlenty all have horribly liberal positions in their past they have to keep explaining away. I think this is a conservative year, the RINOS will lose the GOP nomination. There’s nothing they can do about it.


523 posted on 05/06/2011 8:51:34 AM PDT by o2bfree
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To: LibLieSlayer

LLS, I don’t dislike your positions. I’m just curious as to why you’re spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt about the candidate who won the debate.

Cain won hands down. I was surprised like everyone else.


524 posted on 05/06/2011 8:55:18 AM PDT by o2bfree
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To: o2bfree

He won the debate but he faltered badly on two points and lets be real... this first debate was only a preliminary exercise. Things will get serious closer to the fall... most people were not paying attention last night and truly there was only one Conservative on that stage... and like I said... IMHO he faltered unforgivably on foreign policy.

LLS


525 posted on 05/06/2011 9:10:51 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (THANK YOU PRESIDENT BUSH!)
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To: Captain Kirk
Bush listened to boots on the ground? Do you really need to be reminded of the long list of field commanders he removed, or had to resign, for asking for more troops (pre surge)?

Go ahead. Would like to see that list. Bush did FAR MORE listening, adjusting and corrections which led to a successful Battle for Fallujah and overall successful surge than the Democrats ever wanted. And he did so amidst a constant barrage of daily relentless MSM biased stories against him and the war, not to mention high ranking Democrat Congressmen condemning Bush's every action before the actions were even underway.
526 posted on 05/06/2011 9:20:15 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty ("You're a different kind of special..........")
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To: Eagle of Liberty

I don’t think being a protectionist is the issue or what Ron Paul believes...I think he believes what our founders believed.

Friend to all enemy to none. Now that doesn’t mean we cower and back-away from a conflict it means if you become our enemy we will eliminate you with extreme prejudice but we want all to want to do trade with us, etc.

We went off the rails when the first de-facto progressive Teddy Roosevelt decided we needed to nation build and start installing our own puppets under the guise of democracy in foreign countries all under the umbrella that we need to protect our “interests”.

You know what...it has been a 100 year experiement that has failed 100% of the time we have done it. Now the world hates us because of these progressive ideas and when you really look at nation building it is just another form of redistributing the wealth.

How is it fair that we take our hard-earned money and just give it to foreign countries to build them?

We need our own independence in energy, manufacturing, etc...this entire new world order BS is going to destroy us.

We need radical change in the next administration - back to our roots, back to our Constitution, back to our founder’s vision and a Ronald Reagan type isn’t going to cut it. Calvin Coolidge at a minimum is what we need now and maybe even a George Washington.

We better all decide to get bold before 2012 because voting for a party isn’t going to save us. :)


527 posted on 05/06/2011 9:27:21 AM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Props up on Candidate LLS foreign policy answer!! :)


528 posted on 05/06/2011 9:33:14 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty ("You're a different kind of special..........")
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To: Eagle of Liberty

Thank you FRiend!

LLS


529 posted on 05/06/2011 9:41:12 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (THANK YOU PRESIDENT BUSH!)
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To: surfer
You and Ron Paul make some very good points, but with this nation building, it isn't like every nation has been a sovereign nation for the last 100 years. Many were still British or French colonies. Also WWI and WWII caused land to be divided up into insane ways.

But I do agree that the Founding Fathers had the goal of being able to trade with everyone.

I also agree that nation building or dictator installing needs to end. What should still carry on though, is a desire to FREE those who want out of the shackles of their current situation. Perhaps this is where the debate needs to focus on. Is there some policy that is not complete Non-interventionist, but is also not ALL-interventionist? Do we owe it to our allies to stick with them when evil shows its face? How much to get involved?

Along those lines, I think that we also need to strive to become an independent country as much as we can with respect to energy or on any other front which makes us dangerously dependent on other nations.
530 posted on 05/06/2011 9:45:44 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty ("You're a different kind of special..........")
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To: Eagle of Liberty
The founders and Ron Paul would definitely agree with your statement about helping those that want to be free. That is far different than nation building.

In fact the founders knew how important that was...if it weren't for foreign aid to us during the revolution who knows what would have happened.

So I think everyone is in agreement that we would help a group that wanted to be free just like our founders wanted.

Not what we have done...continually set people up just to abandon them to be slaughtered when it is politically correct for us to stand with them (i.e. the Kurds, etc).

I think the question in regard to allies is a very tough one it really depends on the situation and what it means to stand with them. If it means to stand with them in the light of truth and righteousness then sure...if it means we stand with them to cover stuff up...then hell no.

One common theme across ALL of this...liberty, etc...will only work if people are willing to accept accountability for their decisions and actions and that is the key thing that has been diminished and marginalized in our country and the world - heck the slave masters need that to be marginalized so they can control. Personal accountability and responsibility is actually the greatest source of power an individual has...they have all been tricked into giving up for a false sense of security.

531 posted on 05/06/2011 10:07:09 AM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: surfer; katiekins1; AnyStreetFL; All
Do we really know Herman Cain? His connections with the Federal Reserve is a concern.

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=2539876

532 posted on 05/06/2011 10:17:54 AM PDT by seekthetruth (My Dream Ticket For 2012: Allen West / Scott Walker)
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To: conservativebuckeye

That makes sense.


533 posted on 05/06/2011 10:24:56 AM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Chandalier
You know he did that cost/benefit analysis with EVERY spending bill that came across his desk as governor in New Mexico?

He left the office with a $1 BILLION surplus for the state.

His business model works.

534 posted on 05/06/2011 10:47:54 AM PDT by Wizdum (Wisdom is what you gain when things go wrong.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I’m going to watch the debate much more closely this afternoon. I’ll give you an updated view of him after that.


535 posted on 05/06/2011 11:08:10 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Tell me you haven't asked yourself what mistake Obama made, that wound up causing Laden's death?)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Rush was mentioning debate question tactics. I guess some guy raised a Bible over his head and challenged a candidate (in another debate) to declare if he believed every bit of it was true or not. If not what parts...

Look, these guys are out of control, and Cain could become their number one target if they so chose.

I think it’s time to start taking some of these idiots down. If we go for the throat of their advertisers, it may help.

I don’t like doing that, but what other leverage point do we have?

FoxNews needs to keep it’s nose clean too.


536 posted on 05/06/2011 11:12:59 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Tell me you haven't asked yourself what mistake Obama made, that wound up causing Laden's death?)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

The MSM makes things up about people, too. The left, in all of its forms, gets nastier and nastier, as the November ‘12 election gets closer and closer.


537 posted on 05/06/2011 11:13:44 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: DoughtyOne

I appreciate that, thanks.


538 posted on 05/06/2011 11:18:47 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and Ford trucks)
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To: seekthetruth

That is my #1 concern of Cain. We MUST eliminate the Fed.


539 posted on 05/06/2011 11:32:19 AM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: surfer

Mr. Cain needs to be asked if he would be in favor of eliminating the Federal Reserve. Sorry to say, bet not!


540 posted on 05/06/2011 11:55:48 AM PDT by seekthetruth (My Dream Ticket For 2012: Allen West / Scott Walker)
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