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You and Ron Paul make some very good points, but with this nation building, it isn't like every nation has been a sovereign nation for the last 100 years. Many were still British or French colonies. Also WWI and WWII caused land to be divided up into insane ways.

But I do agree that the Founding Fathers had the goal of being able to trade with everyone.

I also agree that nation building or dictator installing needs to end. What should still carry on though, is a desire to FREE those who want out of the shackles of their current situation. Perhaps this is where the debate needs to focus on. Is there some policy that is not complete Non-interventionist, but is also not ALL-interventionist? Do we owe it to our allies to stick with them when evil shows its face? How much to get involved?

Along those lines, I think that we also need to strive to become an independent country as much as we can with respect to energy or on any other front which makes us dangerously dependent on other nations.

The founders and Ron Paul would definitely agree with your statement about helping those that want to be free. That is far different than nation building.

In fact the founders knew how important that was...if it weren't for foreign aid to us during the revolution who knows what would have happened.

So I think everyone is in agreement that we would help a group that wanted to be free just like our founders wanted.

Not what we have done...continually set people up just to abandon them to be slaughtered when it is politically correct for us to stand with them (i.e. the Kurds, etc).

I think the question in regard to allies is a very tough one it really depends on the situation and what it means to stand with them. If it means to stand with them in the light of truth and righteousness then sure...if it means we stand with them to cover stuff up...then hell no.

One common theme across ALL of this...liberty, etc...will only work if people are willing to accept accountability for their decisions and actions and that is the key thing that has been diminished and marginalized in our country and the world - heck the slave masters need that to be marginalized so they can control. Personal accountability and responsibility is actually the greatest source of power an individual has...they have all been tricked into giving up for a false sense of security.