Posted on 04/29/2011 9:26:36 AM PDT by marktwain
There are three issues that could presently trigger a Civil War in America:
* Illegal aliens. A government that refuses to protect our borders, the methodical structure of citizenship, and the rule of law, will only be tolerated for so long. America is reaching a tipping point on this issue.
* Abortion. Irreconcilable differences here. This may likely become as potent an issue as slavery was in the 1860s.
* The right to keep and bear arms - see "2A Today for The USA"
No other significant present day problems could potentially result in the “brother against brother” tragedy of a Second American Civil War.
Sooner or later, the massive invasion of America by illegal aliens will be confronted, if not by the rule of law then by either armed police officers and soldiers … or armed citizens. There are twenty million or more illegal aliens entrenched in this nation now. How many tens of millions more will it take to reach a tipping point? At what point will law enforcement agencies and/or the military begin to do the job they were sworn to do? At what point will citizens themselves be forced, by government inactivity, to confront this invasion by force of arms?
Will the liberal politicians actually allow this showdown? Is this actually the sort of crisis opportunism that Obama’s Rahm Immanuel, and other leftist cultural Marxists, relish?
As an American, and a gun owner, would you take to the street to confront this illegal alien invasion? Do you have a personal breaking point on this issue?
I won’t deal with abortion here, except to note that the anti-abortion forces have the same moral intensity and personal commitment that was demonstrated by the slavery abolitionists of the nineteenth century. We saw where that led in America.
However, there is a third possible cause of a Second American Civil War: infringement of the right to keep and bear arms.
This nation’s Second Amendment freedoms have too long been burdened with the lethargic, tunnel vision behavior of the gun owners known as “Elmer Fudds”, or, as Aaron Zelman used to call them “quackers”. This is the “good ole’ boy” type who simply doesn’t care about gun registrations, permits, regulations, or even confiscations, as long as he can keep his deer rifle or shotgun and exercise his “sportin’ rights”. This myopic fellow can be bought off for the price of a buck tag or duck license. Even Senator Chuck Schumer is a “Fudd”! “I ain’t gonna take your shotguns away, fellas!”
On the other side of the room from the Fudds is the “Cold Dead Fingers” crowd. A lot of tough talk over in that camp. A lot of arm chair patriotism and rhetorical heat. A lot of “let ‘em try to take my guns!” chest puffing. But somewhere at the core of this quite large group of gun owners is a determined minority that does really mean it.
I would assert that every single one of these very determined armed Americans has some idea, deep in his or her heart, as to what their personal “line in the sand” actually is. When it comes to this amorphous, mostly low profile, group, the hammer is cocked. These folks are getting to be known as the “Three Percenters”.
What the cultural Marxists, elitists, and authoritarians who advocate “gun control” (read "Know Thine Enemy") don’t seem to be able to grasp is the strange fact that a significant minority of human beings are willing to fight ferociously to preserve their freedoms. This irascible minority has yet to be awakened to action. But they’re sleeping with one eye open.
The attacks on the Second Amendment have, since 1934, been so gradual and incremental that the victim disarmament forces have prevailed to an amazing degree. They hear the loud complaints of gun owners, then make strategic “compromises” with other compromisers, and then, sure as day, there’s another gun regulation, permit process, limitation, restriction, tax burden, or license needed for each of us to exercise an unalienable right that, according to the American Bill of Rights, “shall not be infringed”.
Makes me think of the laughs I got as a kid when, in the Bugs Bunny cartoons, Elmer Fudd’s head turned into a big “SUCKER” when Bugs had tricked him once again. What also comes to mind is Charlie Brown and Lucy with her football, the football, that, to my knowledge, Charlie Brown was never able to kick. Only, unlike the comics, few of us are smiling about this. This could become deadly serious. Because the sneaking vermin cannot be allowed to win.
What must be obvious to any truly concerned American gun owner is that we absolutely must take EVERY action afforded us to prevent a Second American Civil War. This means that gun owners must become far more personally involved. Gun owners have to really grow fangs and learn to “snarl” in a societal and political sense. Wake up! You are the “gun lobby” these insidious liars and manipulators complain about! Remind them of that in every lawful way that you can.
Do you want to remain completely anonymous, but still help? A blank postal money order sent to GOA, SAF or JPFO works just fine, thanks.
We have to learn how to warn these gun prohibitionists off with unrelenting determination. When we gain a political victory or legal victory like the Heller or McDonald cases, we must be willing to dig into our own pockets and financially support those who truly won those victories, so that they may drive forward and win another, and another, with relentless momentum.
Political activism doesn’t need to cost much at all, especially in this day and age of email and unlimited phone calling plans. If you can’t afford to donate money to a Second Amendment organization, write the letters, send the emails, and make the phone calls in support of our gun rights. Talk to your gun owner friends and neighbors. Don’t let them remain Fudds or Quackers!
Or, when you hear “They ain’t gonna get my guns!”, ask that person how he or she is going to stop them. Don’t let this kind of chest puffing go unquestioned. Ask the arm chair warrior what he or she is doing now, today, to PREVENT that horror. If the question makes them uncomfortable it should! It won’t be Chuck Norris, Sly Stallone or Arnold coming through with minor flesh wounds, friends. A Second American Civil War will not be played out on a Hollywood set. You won’t be able to get up and leave the theater.
We need to prevent that war before it happens. How can we best do so? By preserving our right to keep and bear arms. Contribute to JPFO today and help us to protect that right. So called “gun control” must be completely destroyed. We must restore the pre-1934 state of affairs to America. Join JPFO today.
Frequent JPFO contributor and strategist, Kirby Ferris collaborated intensively with Aaron Zelman over the last two years. Ferris is now the Public Affairs Director of JPFO.
True, but most who mention it aren’t serious. It’s largely because few can imagine it really happening, even they know that parts of the populace don’t believe in what this country was established for. Among those who give it serious thought, few know of how it can be legally done.
Can states be expelled from the U.S.A. or succeed from it legally? I truly don’t know.
Maybe a bit simplistic, but: Have the POTUS issue an EO that ‘x’ states are removed/expelled from the USA/Union.
It would take some serious coordination beforehand (currency, military installations, federal land/buildings, etc., etc., etc.), but why not?
I suppose another way would be to have a Constitutional Convention, but the chances of having it and accomplishing the goal of ejecting the “Blues” would be pretty close to nil, especially in an expedited manner.
Or have the “Red” states secede. I know it's been tried before, unsuccessfully, but maybe the second time’s the charm? Interesting that after 150 years, the “battle lines” are still pretty much the same.
The minimum needed to avoid some such major breakdown would be what I call a Voters' Bill of Rights:
Chris Plant on WMAL recently asked how the immigration problem could be fixed.
As in the case of the "War on Drugs(TM)", the only real solution is to take the profit out of it and in this case the profit is measured in votes.
We need a law and possibly a constitutional amendment requiring a person to be a US citizen for 18 years before they ever vote in a US election. That would not be difficult to justify; I had to be a US citizen for eighteen years before I ever voted in a US election and I don't see any immigrant group which appears better or more deserving of rights than I am.
This should be part and parcel of a Voters Bill of Rights which we desperately need. To me at least such a bill would look more or less as follows:
The first item of such a bill HAS TO BE runoff elections or instant runoff elections for all public offices. Nobody should ever fear to vote his first choice, at least on a first ballot, and nobody should ever hold any public office with less than 50% of the vote.
There should also be a None-Of-Above choice on all ballots for public office and if that choice ever wins, then the other candidates should be barred for life from holding any public office and the parties sponsoring them should be barred for at least ten years from sponsoring candidates for that particular office. The penalty for running dead wood for public offices should be severe.
Another item on such a voters' bill of rights should be something which would eliminate voting fraud for all time and if that means getting rid of the secret ballot or at least limiting it somehow or other, so be it, we're paying too high a price for it. Or it could mean that when an election is within one percentage point, send both people to congress with half of a vote each. You could expect them to split their vote on ideological issues but vote identically on issues which affect their own district.
There should be a provision that when a president is impeached and removed, his VP goes out the door with him and the office is either vacant until the next election or an emergency election is held to fill the office for the remainder of the current term. Granted removing a president should be difficult but it should not be impossible and if we couldn't remove Slick, we'd not have been able to remove Hitler or Nero either.
What happened in 98/99 was that Trent Lott simply refused to hand the presidency over to Algor with a year to go on Slick's second term, for obvious reasons. The situation should not be possible.
A person should need to be a US citizen for 18 years before voting in a US election. It should not be possible for a rogue political party to rule our land by simply importing large voting blocks for itself.
There should also be some mechanism to prevent utterly unqualified people from holding high offices. Certainly a candidate for president or vice president, or for US Senator or member of the House of Representatives should need to obtain the same basic and simple secret level security clearance which anybody would need to be a guard at the gate of any military base in our land. That isn't asking for much but it would have spared us from the last two democrat presidents.
There are a few other things you'd want but that's the main gist of it. There is also a question as to the extent the people should be voting on issues directly since we now have the technology to allow that while the founding fathers did not. You could get some of these evil social issues settled once and for all and out of politics, and you could limit the scope for corruption and bribery by letting the people themselves settle at least some kinds of issues.
The three issues cited are the illegal alien invasion, abortion, and the Second Amendment. Thanks marktwain.
We’d have to build a big wall to keep them out. After a short time, it would be like North and South Korea.
OMG!!! I love that analogy! They’d sh*t themselves silly.
100% true unkus.
One thing I’d do is have the “New/Red/Constitutional” America reclaim the Panama Canal.
They’d sh*t themselves silly.
They sure would.
And sell it, just like they do in North Korea.
Why prevent it? I actually pray for the CW2 to happen.
A Russian analyst named Igor Panarin has predicted that the U.S. would split into four or five nations in the near future. It got press coverage back in 2008 or 2009.
Yes, I remember that!
IIRC, he predicted the NE down to the Mid-Atlantic become part of the EU...guess I can relo to Italy nice and easy.
Hmmm...
A reaction by a relatively small group of patriots which will be brutally put down by police and military forces
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Here is where I think the whole thing could turn.
Do you really feel our military and police forces would “put down” patriots? I don’t think so ...I feel many of them would step into the role of patriots themselves.
We still have the strongest military in the world. I don’t doubt the side many of them would take in any event. And I have faith that there are not a lot of armies that could mount much of a defense to them ...But we need them to come home.
I also feel the enemies that walk among us would post the greatest threat in so many ways.
Just my humble opinion, of course.
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Even with western air-power a divided goverment ect... The Libyans are sure having a hell of a problem.
This is a question we need to think very long and hard about. Cause if it does come down to fighting some day we need to be ready, we need to make the changes necessary now so that we and our decedents will be ready and able to win such a war.
We must decentralize the military structure of theses united States. the Federal Military needs to be downsized the army reserve abolished and instead replaced entirely with the National guard. The National guard in turn needs to be more thoroughly vetted by State Authority. The centralized thum is the same thumb that is a potential threat.
At least in many pieces they must acquire some basic level of consent to come together for any cause. But we must have an army to appose them if the day ever comes, and that army is legally the Army of the States the Militia.
>Do you really feel our military and police forces would “put down” patriots?<
Absolutely NO. I was also asking someone that a coup may be the solution where they just arrest Obama.
A lot of people laughed him off. Not now.
Nope.
Although 4 or 5 countries makes me nervous...welcome to the Balkans...yay...
Oh, we’re definately going to “Balkanize”. It’s already happening. You’re right on.
That will do it for me.
That's why I've been speaking about a spit into 2 countries. When you have two different groups of peoples who cannot “meet” the split becomes too great to repair and the only thing you can do is to go separate ways (or have a bloody civil war and see if there is a “winner”).
I'd rather a somewhat peaceful split now than a blood fest (a little) later. The “Blues” will kill themselves off anyway; the Marxist/communist/socialist model DOES NOT work, no matter how many times it's tried.
No, we can’t.
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