Officer won't sign order for troop indoctrination

WND ^ | 25 December 2010 | Brian Fitzpatrick

[plsjr]

President Obama's repeal of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy is already damaging the U.S. military.

An Army lieutenant colonel has asked to be relieved of command rather than order his troops to go through pro-homosexual indoctrination following the repeal of the policy, which required homosexuals to keep silent about their sexual preference.

Currently the commander of a battalion-sized unit in the Army National Guard, the officer also has threatened to resign his commission rather than undergo "behavior modification" training intended to counter his religious convictions about homosexuality.

[plsjr]

My apologies to stoat and those who are aggravated by duplicate posts. I failed to search correctly.

Officer won’t sign order for troop indoctrination (Asks 2B relieved of command re DADT)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2647369/posts

[101voodoo]

You guys doing a little trolling on FR?

If you had bothered to look into my posting history you wouldn't have wasted the time and effort on such a ridiculous question.

[Lessthantolerant]

I don't accept normalization of homosexuality. I do not use religious ground for my opinion, as I believe religion is the weakest argument.

However, I do believe this is another tear in the fabric of America.

The left will use these deviates to stir up lawsuits and courtmartials to demoralize the military further.

I added no sarcasm or ad hominem, I believe we are on the downward spiral of decay and there is no stopping it.

While the article conveyed this as not being good for the military, it did not condemn or judge homosexuality as a mental illness or that it was further destruction of American morals.

Being new to FR I am not sure what supposed rules I may be breaking by voicing MY OPINION! As to being a troll, sorry, don't fit the profile.

As to the other two fruit's I can not respond.

[lentulusgracchus]

I'm not one of those guys who runs over to your webpage to pull up your in-forum history.

I look at the post. I assume you meant what you said.

Sure, there could be subtle nuances there .... Spruance nuances, ultrasubtle black humor, gallows humor, obscure puns built on recondite, archaic 18th-century meanings.

Don't usually see that, though.

You took shots at someone who expressed repugnance at a foul policy of Obama the Betrayer, and you proposed a weak response that looks like something a troll would put up.

"Oh, don't worry about officer's country, don't worry about the wardroom or General's Row -- we'll handle it in the latrines, at the E-5 level."

[Lessthantolerant]

Obviously, I need to be more concise for some of your freepers.

Homosexuality in the military has no place. To force it in because of political correctness is just another tear in America's fabric.

This will ruin morale in the military, it will foster what will perceived as hate crimes and it will allow career suck ups to advance by promoting diversity.

I play one side of a fence, mine.

[Lessthantolerant]

My apologies at the fuitbat comment, I made a bad assumption that the poster to me had determined his facts.

[lentulusgracchus]

Amazing how quickly things change.

Things didn't change. There's nothing new under the sun. Alexander the Great had his Bagoas in Persepolis, Richard III his Piers Gaveston in England. The New York Times and the Democratic Party changed when homosexuals cashed their political favors. And other favors.

Don't sit still for it. Change stuff back. And start throwing people out of the military, out of politics and policy, out of education.

The Lords Ordainers took care of Richard and Gaveston. The gods took care of Alexander, for his hybris and blasphemy. We don't have to eat crap because twinkletoed editors at the major media have engineered the firings of the last decent straight people in media.

Fight back.

[101voodoo]

You been in the military?

[1010RD]

Now it needs to be emailed to our friends and family. The word needs to get out.

[1010RD]

Do you really think that the music of 1950 isn’t different than the music of 2010?

http://www.fiftiesweb.com/1950-hits.htm

versus

http://www.billboard.com/charts-year-end/hot-pop-songs?year=2010

So you think the Andrew Sisters are on par with Lady Gaga?

Disinformation is a form of lying, a form of propaganda. You’re appeal to age (something you have no control over) masks the ridiculousness of your argument.

Maybe you are just a troll?

[quadrant]

Some of the senior leadership will, but most won't. With few exceptions - almost without exception in the Marine Corps - they senior leaders are so career oriented that no one will risk a career over a policy change. And a policy change is how this abortion will be sold to the troops.
The losers are the junior enlisted personnel, as they are the most vulnerable to pressure from superiors.
If you want to read about the effects of widespread and widely accepted homosexuality on a uniformed force, I suggest any of the histories of the SA.
If your don't want to read an entire history, look up a short history about The Night of the Long Knives.

[101voodoo]

And perhaps you are clueless/ You remind me of the fool in SF who thought it a grand idea to ban McD’s Happy Meals with the toy in them because as she said she was unable to control her child when he wanted one and she thought he shouldn’t have one.

According to the likes of you, every single person exposed to today’s R&R, RAP, etc is a lost cause and ALL of them will turn out as social misfits, murderers, etc.

Well let me clue you in to something. I have 2 kids and 7 nephews all brought up in the 70’s and 80’s and to a one they are well behaved, productive, and great examples of what the correct method of rearing children will do.

Perhaps if you and so many others stop blaming others and outside forces for what amounts to a colossal failure in parenting, the entire world would be a better place.

[rmlew]

I am well aware of the history. (Would the ACLU oppose a sacred band? And let's not even think about what children's advocates would saw about a Spartan military!)
I was talking about the change in public opinion. Millions of American adults have been indoctrinated over the last 30 years to accept homosexuality.

[lentulusgracchus]

Yes, I have. Why? Does that color my argument?

[lentulusgracchus]

If you want to read about the effects of widespread and widely accepted homosexuality on a uniformed force, I suggest any of the histories of the SA.

Yes, I'm aware of the Pink Swastika information about the Nazi SA and Ernst Roehm (that for some reason was never widely circulated during the War, one has to wonder why), and I'm also aware of careerism in the officer and senior enlisted ranks.

Hopefully Congress can cripple Obama's policy initiative through the appropriation process, by vigorously tigering ALL his leftwing policy nostrums in committee markups.

There is some suggestion, murmured now and again in liberal circles, that Obama will play for another shutdown of the Government, using the government checks as a hook to "bring along" public opinion. (Which FDR and LBJ always intended them to be.) It worked for the Clintons and made sissies out of the Republicans in Congress in 1996.

[quadrant]

Information about the “pink” character of SA leadership has been all but suppressed - now. I remember during the 70’s my college professors stressed this part of the SA, but I doubt you'll find much mention these days about homosexuality in the SA.

[lentulusgracchus]

I doubt you'll find much mention these days about homosexuality in the SA.

No, I suppose not -- since Roehm and his coterie were just about the apogee of unleashed homosexual raving and caving.

Funny how one of homosexuality's most untrammeled expressions ended up voluntarily and energetically wading in a stew of sadism and pederasty. The SA were so bad Hitler had to put them down like a pack of rabid Dobermans. They were an embarrassment to the Nazi movement and a stink in the nostrils of humanity. ("That's why the gods gave humanity a sense of smell!" -- I, Claudius)

[1010RD]

According to the likes of you, every single person exposed to today’s R&R, RAP, etc is a lost cause and ALL of them will turn out as social misfits, murderers, etc.

That's a strawman argument and false. I didn't say or even imply that. I simply said that music is worse today than it was in the 1950s.

We completely agree that parents make excuses for poor parenting, but one of the tenets of good parenting is helping children avoid pop culture and its effects.

[quadrant]

You're quite right.
When Hitler summoned Roehm back from South America, der fuhrer warned Roehm to confine his homosexual activities to male professional prostitutes. For a while Roehm did this; but then he began to recruit and promote homosexuals to the top ranks of the SA.
Those men used the SA as a homosexual recruiting ground. Young men were lured into (or coerced into) relationships with seniors. Others were promoted solely for their sexual proclivities.
The situation became so scandalous that Hitler could not ignore it. Of course, other reasons existed for Hitler to strike at the SA, but the conduct of Roehm and his homosexual cohorts was the clincher for Hitler, who viewed Roehm’s conduct as a personal betrayal.
Oblivious to the danger of his conduct, Roehm gathered his cohorts for a meeting at a lakeside villa. Officially, this meeting was to discuss other issues, but in reality the meeting was designed to be a homosexual bacanal.
When Sepp Dietrich arrested Roehm, the man was in female drag.

[little jeremiah]

The Pink Swastika is an excellent read.

I highly recommend it, it’s online in its entirety:

http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm

I’d recommend buying a copy (I have 2), in case the fiends want it off the internet for being “hate speech”:

http://www.thepinkswastika.com/5201.html

Hmm, I thought one could purchase it at the above link, maybe not.