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English and Welsh are races apart DNA
BBC ^ | Sunday, 30 June, 2002,

Posted on 06/16/2010 12:25:16 AM PDT by restornu

Genetic tests show clear differences between the Welsh and English

It suggests that between 50% and 100% of the indigenous population of what was to become England was wiped out, with Offa's Dyke acting as a "genetic barrier" protecting those on the Welsh side.

had genes that were almost identical.

But there were clear differences between the genetic make-up of Welsh people studied.

The research team studied the Y-chromosome, which is passed almost unchanged from father to son, and looked for certain genetic markers.

Ethnic links: Many races share common bonds

The English and Frisians studied had almost identical genetic make-up but the English and Welsh were very different.

The researchers concluded the most likely explanation for this was a large-scale Anglo-Saxon invasion, which devastated the Celtic population of England, but did not reach Wales.

...said their findings suggested that a migration occurred within the last 2,500 years.

Genetic links

It reinforced the idea that the Welsh were the true indigenous Britons.

In April last year, research for a BBC programme on the Vikings revealed strong genetic links between the Welsh and Irish Celts ...the Basques of northern Spain and south France.

"It appears England is made up of an ethnic cleansing event from people coming across from the continent after the Romans left," he said.

Celtic Britons

Archaeologists after the Second World War rejected the traditionally held view that an Anglo-Saxon invasion pushed the indigenous Celtic Britons to the fringes of Britain.

Instead, they said the arrival of Anglo-Saxon culture could have come from trade or a small ruling elite.

It suggests that the Welsh border was more of a genetic barrier to the Anglo-Saxon Y chromosome gene flow than the North Sea.

Dr Thomas added: "Our findings completely overturn the modern view of the origins of the English."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: caledonia; dna; emptydna; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; mtdna; pictish; picts; unitedkingdom; wales; welsh
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To: restornu
English and Welsh are races apart DNA

A Welshman already knew that and didn't some fancy professor to tell them.

21 posted on 06/16/2010 7:28:51 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: married21

There are parts of Spain AND Poland that are called “Galicia” (land of the Celts).


22 posted on 06/16/2010 7:30:41 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: paterfamilias; doberville

[screaming at the sight of “the Camilla]


23 posted on 06/16/2010 4:15:09 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: FrogMom; restornu

Thanks FrogMom for the ping, and thanks restornu for the topic.

English And Welsh Are Races Apart
BBC | 6-30-2002
Posted on 07/04/2002 5:27:12 PM PDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/711000/posts


24 posted on 06/16/2010 6:29:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: paterfamilias

Goodness! What’s wrong with that hat?


25 posted on 06/16/2010 6:31:57 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: martin_fierro

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Thanks FrogMom for the ping, and thanks restornu for the topic.

Blast from the Past. a few more related, some more than others: and for that matter: Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.
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26 posted on 06/16/2010 6:57:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Mr. Lucky

“...and then the hat sez, ‘it started as a wart on my ass!’”


27 posted on 06/16/2010 6:57:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: sionnsar; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 240B; 24Karet; ...
Okay, now I've begun to think this is pingworthy after all -- even though the topic has been posted three times before. :') Some related links (or if not that related, doubtless of interest): wild thing, I think you move me:
28 posted on 06/16/2010 7:03:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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Okay, I've lost it.
29 posted on 06/16/2010 7:05:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Vanders9

Yes...I remember that clearly as well. It was about 4 years ago...completely opposite of what this study finds.


30 posted on 06/16/2010 7:16:10 PM PDT by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: SunkenCiv

She is a beast isn’t she? It sickens me that they live next door to my ancestral home town, Tetbury. Proudly Saxon since 685.


31 posted on 06/16/2010 7:19:51 PM PDT by Little Bill (Harry Browne is a poofter)
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To: paterfamilias
"Camilla Parker Bowles - English Catherine Zeta Jones -Welsh. Genetically different?

Didn't Princess Diana refer to her as the Rottweiler? (My profuse apologies to Rottweilers).

32 posted on 06/16/2010 7:21:36 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: restornu

Woot! I’m as “British” as they come: English, Welsh, Scots, and Irish.


33 posted on 06/16/2010 7:37:08 PM PDT by redhead (BP Gulf Blowout Debacle: Obama's CHERNOBYL.)
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To: SunkenCiv

What happen there is no post?


34 posted on 06/16/2010 7:55:51 PM PDT by restornu (It is better than looking like a fictional character of Davy Crockett)
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To: restornu
LOL. We got 417 'hits' on this one eight years ago:

Welsh And English Are Races Apart

35 posted on 06/16/2010 8:00:30 PM PDT by blam
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To: lentulusgracchus
For a suprise, read this book: Origins Of The British

"And what of the Celts we know – the Irish, Scots and Welsh? Scholars have traditionally placed their origins in Iron Age Central Europe, but Oppenheimer’s new data clearly show that the Welsh, Irish and other Atlanticfringe peoples derive from Ice Age refuges in the Basque country and Spain.They came by an Atlantic coastal route many thousands of years ago, though the Celtic languages we know of today were brought in by later migrations, following the same route, during Neolithic times."

"Stephen Oppenheimer shows us, in his meticulous analysis, that there is in truth a deep genetic line dividing the English from the rest of the British people but that, fascinatingly, the roots of that separate identity go back not 1500 years but 6,000. The real story of the British peoples is one of extraordinary continuity and enduring lineage that has survived all onslaughts."

My dad's mother (Mrs. Smith) has the same mtDNA as Cheddar Man

36 posted on 06/16/2010 8:11:12 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

The interest seems to have doubled...


37 posted on 06/16/2010 8:41:10 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu
"The interest seems to have doubled..."

I'm happy to see it active again...Thanks.

38 posted on 06/16/2010 8:44:44 PM PDT by blam
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To: restornu

ping for later


39 posted on 06/16/2010 10:48:18 PM PDT by Ladycalif ("If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Jesus)
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To: Dave W

http://heritage-key.com/blogs/malcolmj/celt-china-mysterious-origins-cherchen-man


40 posted on 06/16/2010 11:32:38 PM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind.)
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