Posted on 05/07/2010 9:01:18 PM PDT by PilotDave
Here's a link to the Anderson Cooper 360 interview on tonight with Ltc Latkin. He's the Army doctor who has refused to deploy based on Obama's inelegibility for POTUS per article 2 of USCON.
I have been wondering all along why CNN was the venue of choice, but after watching the ‘tube replay, now I think I know.
If Fox had been chosen, the usual DUmmies never would have watched it, and the usual prress-titoots would have dismissed the Interview as just Fox being unfair and unbalanced.
Actually was a smart move by the Atty and the Lt.Col., in my opinion.
See, they were there all along.
As for LTC and his attorney, their strategy seemed to work fine. Wishing them well....
This is good description of what happened, but I'd still push for some simple, quick counterpoints, and maybe some that Lakin can say for himself: no place of birth in the newspaper announcements; the unnecessarily redacted COLB has not been authenticated; statements by DOH not supported with admissable documentation; refusal by DOH to follow disclosure laws and its own adminstrative rules, Obama's wife says he's Kenyan, etc.
Note also that Cooper had to admit and stated that Lakin has a distinguished and honorable record.
I got the feeling that Cooper wanted to portray Lakin as someone who was respectable but has gone off the deep end or something like that.
First, if the FactCheck COLB online image is not a forgery, how do you refute the evidence given by Polarik here?
Second, the state of Hawaii did not recognize Obama as being born in Hawaii in any court of law, which is the only place that it would count. Typically, the manner in which this type of question is proven is by the production of a long form birth certificate and/or eyewitness testimony to the birth in a court of law under penalty of perjury. Otherwise any recognition is meaningless from a legal perspective, which for the purposes of qualification to the office of president under the Constitution is the only perspective that is meaningful. No Hawaii official has produced a long form birth certificate to a court of law nor has any Hawaii state official given any eyewitness testimony under penalty of perjury in a court of law. Unless one can cite the production of a long form birth certificate produced as evidence in a court of law or eyewitness testimony given under penalty of perjury in a court of law, one can make such a statement, but it is not verifiable, and so rather immaterial to the discussion. Your law is wrong.
Third, even if the state of Hawaii recognized Obama as being born in Hawaii in a court of law, it does not necessarily follow that a random image published on the web is not a forgery. In other words, the statements that "the FactCheck COLB online image is a forgery," and "the state of Hawaii recognized Obama as being born in Hawaii in a court of law" are not mutually exclusive. If your second statement is intended to prove that the first statement is true, your logic is wrong.
Fourth, there is a grammar mistake in the statement "The state of Hawaii recognize Obama as being born in Hawaii." Here is a test for you, Always Right: can you identify where your grammar is wrong?
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Even Gordon Liddy fell for the ploy “If he would simply show us his long form birth certifiicate all of this would be over.” Sad to see Liddy taken in. Remember, every senator in 2008, assisted by former HSA Secretary and federal judge Michael Chertoff said McCain was a natural born citizen “because both of his parents were citizens.” - Senate Res. 511. Every senator is playing dumb - dumber having seen how quickly the ethics charges appeared when congressman Nathan Deal sent a letter to the White House asking for some help because his constituents were asking for more assurance of Obama’s eligibility.
Lakin’s attorney (this appears to be the second one) did suggest that one issue was natural born citizenship, but returned to mucking with the details of the validity of the COLB. I fear that either Lakin’s patriotism is being used for the grand display of a Hawaiian birth certificate, at which time all mention of natural born citizenship will be discounted (a ploy which Leo Donofrio recognized over a year ago). Then Obama will graciously dismiss charges against Col Lakin who will quietly disappear from the public stage. Lakin could be in on it, but I like to think not.
The birth certificate is irrelevant. A Constitutional natural born citizen is “born on the soil of citizen parents.” Obama’s father was never a citizen. Obama II states that he was “Born a subject of the British Commonwealth”. No further proof is necessary. Citizen parents (two of them) as cited by four chief justices of the supreme court. Our republic has no other definition. Google The Venus, 12 U.S. 253, par 289, chief justice John Marshall. Obama is not a natural born citizen.
To get a concise history of presidential eligibility go to http://puzo1.blogspot.com and the U of Connecticut's http://undeadrevolution.wordpress.com. Then read James Wilson on the Law of Nations, Joseph Story Rules for Interpreting the Constitution, James Kent's Founders on Citizenship. There is practically no end of writing by our framers, founders and justices, and all of it confirms the primacy of Vattel in structuring of our legal foundation. Jefferson taught from Vattel at William and Mary. Madison too, and was president of William and Mary. Marshall, a cousin of Jefferson, attended. The truth takes a bit of work to ferret out, but there is simply no other conclusion that if we allow Obama to stay, we have decided that the Constitution doesn't have to be respected. Our republic has now ceased to be based upon a Constitution - unless we insist now!
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Anderson Cooper. I feel so sorry for him. I'm no journalist, but that Anderson Cooper interview last night of the military doctor and his lawyer was one the saddest, most pathetic interviews I have ever seen on television.
It seemed to me that Cooper and his staff did NOT research the Obama eligibility issue thoroughly, either because they are not good researchers, or they did not do a good research on purpose.
Some things that particularly stood out to me during this hostile, pathetic interview are the following:
1. Hawaii officials have seen Obama's birth certificate and saw that Obama indeed was born in Hawaii.
Whenever I hear or read a statement like the one above, I can't help but laugh, because it implies that government bureaucrats are most honest and that we are supposed to take their word as gospel truth whenever they make a public statement.
I don't know about you, but from my experience with government workers, if a state or federal government bureaucrat told me that it was raining outside, I would walk outside to take a look and make sure.
Imagine this scenario: I go to the Department of Motor Vehicles to apply for a driver's license in my state, but let's say I was born in another state, Kansas.
The clerk asks to see my Kansas birth certificate.
I tell the clerk that I don't have my Kansas birth certificate, but I have a letter from the Kansas director of Vital Statistics that says that she has seen my birth certificate, and she saw that I was born in Kansas as I claimed.
What do you think my state clerk is going to do? I bet she has a good laugh as she tells me to come back with my original birth certificate.
2. Obama has released his birth certificate.
I also laugh a lot when I hear or read a statement like the one above.
For instance, it seems that Obama supporters and I differ on what the word "release" means.
To me, the idea that Obama is the one who "released" his own Hawaii birth certificate to the public is a problem for me.
Point: To me, Obama "releasing" his own short form birth certificate only on the internet is not a "release" at all.
To me, "releasing" Obama's birth certificate would mean that Hawaii officials "released" the Obama birth certificate to the public and the media without ever first passing through Obama's dirty hands.
And to me, "releasing" Obama's birth certificate would mean that the certificate would be "released" where human hands can touch it and examine it, and not released ONLY on some internet website, where we can only examine the birth certificate through a computer monitor screen.
Imagine this scenario: I apply to Harvard. Obviously, I have to present my high school transcript, so I attach a copy of my high school transcript with straight "A"s to my application.
I think that Harvard would contact me and tell me that it wants my transcript sent to them by my high school, and they don't accept a transcript that a student provides himself and attaches to his application.
My point is this: I don't want to see a birth certificate that comes from the Obama camp. Instead, I want to see an official birth certificate that comes directly from Hawaii officials and does NOT pass through the Obama camp's dirty hands.
3. Obama's birth listed in 1961 Hawaii newspapers
Again, I laugh when I read or hear a statement like the one above, because it mistakenly implies the following: ONLY Hawaii births in hospitals were listed in the newspapers.
That is, the chain of custody or reporting, according to the Obama camp, went something like this: From hospital to Hawaii Vital Statistis to newspaper.
But most of us know that way back in 1961, Hawaii birth certificates showed up at Vital Statistics in other ways besides coming directly from a hospital.
For instance, we know that at the time, Hawaii had a large legal and illegal immigration population who had babies, and some of those babies were NOT born in a hospital.
My point is this: It is highly probable that hospital births were NOT the only source of birth listings in the Hawaii newspaper, because some of the births provided to the newspaper from Vital Statistics may have born OUTSIDE a hospital environment.
Again, I am not a journalist, but I thought that the CNN Anderson Cooper interview of the military doctor and his lawyer was one of the saddest, pathetic, distorted interviews that I have ever seen on television.
Mine has my prints on it.
Well, whoever did do that COLB was an idiot. African is not a race! It is a place. During the 60’s they would have put Negro as the race, not African. Not all Africans are black.
It is a FACT that in the early 60’s all you needed was a relative to say you were born there and that was good enough, all you had to say was that you had a home birth!
To me, what Obama's original birth certificate has on it is irrelevant. What is most relevant is the fact that he is hiding it. What is he hiding?
Forget all of the debate on citizenship, natural born, under age, dual citizenship,,,etc. He is clearly hiding SOMETHING. What is it?
Wha'smatter Andy, tea bag caught in your throat?
LOL, I just wonder if you made up your tag name for these words, hmmmm
Listen ALL, TOOT is a RN!!!
Hi, I would think that you could go the the website links and watch the videos. Surely a computer savey Freeper here on FR could help you by sending you a link to a program to download so you can watch video clips. Wish I could help more.
Please don’t take any more of Anderson Coopers brand of rudeness pills.
Tebag Cooper was almost yelling, trying to state Obamas case and badgering Mr Lakin. There was almost no attempt at trying to get facts.
What is key is that Mr. Lakin cites the constitution as his motive for seeking the truth. Tebag Cooper then moves on because the constitution is meaningless to him. Tebag was hoping to prove this is about race and nothing else.
If it states that Obama Sr. is his Father, then he is not qualified no matter where he was born. This document is key no matter where the arguments lead.
This “interview” was a disgrace. Anderson is full of himself, and this is a prime example. If guests are invited for an interview it should be exactly that, and not a session with a fish-wife.
I have enormous respect for LTC Lakin, and none for Anderson Cooper.
That is absoulutely right. In the early 1960’s and prior, Negro was the term used. The word African is proof enough that this has been recently drafted.
Too bad the first African-American president is someone like him, when our nation has a wealth of honest and patriotic citizens of African heritage who would and could be a president of integrity that we would be proud of.
Sorry for coming in late, but I only have limited times to check in on this. I'm confused - how does this square with what's on Hawaii COLBs: "This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding"?
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