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To: butterdezillion
Hawaii law requires that the document NOT be treated as prima facie evidence

Sorry for coming in late, but I only have limited times to check in on this. I'm confused - how does this square with what's on Hawaii COLBs: "This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding"?

80 posted on 05/08/2010 7:54:48 AM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: sometime lurker

That’s a good question. I have asked to see what is printed on a COLB that is amended. The HDOH refuses to show me that.

I think they can keep that statement on even the amended COLB’s which don’t qualify as prima facie evidence because it only says that it is prima facie evidence of the fact of birth - that there was a birth, not that the FACTS regarding the birth are reported accurately on the BC.

We know there was a birth. We just don’t know when, where, to whom, etc. Both HRS 338-17 and the DOH Administrative Rules say that if a BC has been amended it has to be noted on any certificate the HDOH prints for that person and that certificate cannot be considered prima facie evidence of the facts claimed on it.

That’s why Obama posted a forged COLB even though he has a genuine COLB that he could post. He had to get rid of the note of the amendment and (I believe) the 2006 certificate number. That’s also why he refuses to show either the COLB or his original, and why the HDOH refuses to give a non-certified copy of his COLB to anybody who asks for it, as is required by DOH administrative rules and UIPA.

If his amendment was to change something embarrassing he would not need to steal somebody else’s certificate number. He only had to steal somebody else’s certificate number because his own would reveal something he wants hidden - specifically that his BC was not completed until 2006 (which also means that it doesn’t qualify as prima facie evidence because late/delayed BC’s are not prima facie evidence either).


82 posted on 05/08/2010 8:10:51 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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