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Ryan: Dems Ramming "Shell" HC Bill Through Committee Monday
The American Spectator ^ | 3.11.10 | Philip Klein

Posted on 03/11/2010 3:49:03 PM PST by BarnacleCenturion

Rep. Paul Ryan says that Democrats are ready to ram a "shell" health care bill through the Budget Committee, on which he serves as ranking Republican member, to use as a vehicle to impose national health care.

In a phone interview with TAS Thursday afternoon, Ryan said that he expects Democrats to begin the complex process on Monday, under which they would have the Budget Committee approve a phantom bill by midnight, which they will then send over to the Rules Committee. At that point, the Rules Committee will strip out all of the language in the phantom bill, and insert the changes to the Senate bill that Democrats have negotiated.

"They don't have the votes right now, but they're creating the vehicle so that they can airdrop in whatever changes they want," Ryan said.

He said that Republicans are outnumbered 2-to-1 on his committee and don't have the votes to stop the bill there. Democrats will also be able to prevent Republicans from offering any amendments, but GOP members will be able to offer "motions to instruct" the Rules Committee, that Ryan said will be used highlight problems with the "unprecedented" step that Democrats are taking.

He said he expected Democrats to dust off last year's health care bills from the Education and Labor and Ways and Means Committees, to use as the vehicle for reconciliation changes.

He also warned against focusing too much on the reconciliation process in the Senate. "Reconciliation is a distraction," he said. "Once the House passes the Senate bill we have the massive new entitlement."

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; communism; democrats; healthcare; liberalfascism; obama; obamacare; palin; phantomhealthcare; socialism; socialisthealthcare
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To: Prole

Yes, fascinating and scarey. What have they got up their sleeves? It’s almost like they don’t think there will be elections.


101 posted on 03/11/2010 5:39:49 PM PST by Josephat
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To: devolve

Darn, and earlier today I had read that the Republicans said the Senate parliamentarian threw up a hurdle to congressional Democrats’ plans to pass changes to U.S. health-care legislation through a process called reconciliation...

Thought something effective had happened.


102 posted on 03/11/2010 5:39:53 PM PST by potlatch (- What a co-inky-stink!)
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To: ApplegateRanch

LOL


103 posted on 03/11/2010 5:41:08 PM PST by RedMDer (Recycle Congress in 2010, 2012... Forward with Confidence! Forward!)
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To: Cheerio
Reminds me of Jonestown 1978.

Yes, and there were many who would not drink they kool-aid so they were shot instead.

104 posted on 03/11/2010 5:45:33 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (Another day, another injury, another step closer. Are you prepared?)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom
Now its a Shell bill? Will a Phantom bill be next? Or a Hologram bill?

W. The. F is going on?

Tyranny. Abrogation of the US Constitution, and a deaf ear turned to the clear will of The People.

Plain and simple, and in our faces.

105 posted on 03/11/2010 5:47:48 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Look, what constitutes a "bill" that the President can sign to make it a "law" is very, very clear.

Crystal.

"All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills. Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States;... But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively"

I don't know what they are going to wind up calling this thing, but if it raises revenue despite originating in the Senate, and if it is not passed by the House by determining the yeas and Nays, with the names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill being entered in the journal of the House, then it isn't a Bill and it therefore cannot become a law.

The nit is really about to hit the grit. The Democrats, both in this arena and in their attempt to legislate a change in the House without an Amendment by seating a "Member of Congress" not from a state are trying to overthrow the Constitution.

They must not be allowed to get away with it.

106 posted on 03/11/2010 5:48:23 PM PST by Jim Noble (Hu's the communist?)
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To: Indy Pendance
“I was thinking this earlier today, they look foolish, out of control and desperate. And not to us die hards. They look this way to the majority of Americans. They are pathetic, we all see it. We (not us junkies, Americans in general) needed this wake up call.”

You may be right about about that. I hope so. I work in a big city government and you know how that is, libtards all. Lately there appears to be a lot of uncertainty.

107 posted on 03/11/2010 5:48:45 PM PST by RedMDer (Recycle Congress in 2010, 2012... Forward with Confidence! Forward!)
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To: Mygirlsmom
I've been saying for a long time that a strategically delivered lightning bolt is about the only thing that can save us now.

No, there's one other thing that could stop this in its tracks. That would be several hundred thousand angry Americans with pitchforks, tar & feathers, and nooses, screaming bloody murder up on Capitol Hill.

108 posted on 03/11/2010 5:51:33 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: potlatch

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The democrats Socialists will try to use unconstitutional procedures somehow -


109 posted on 03/11/2010 5:51:50 PM PST by devolve ( . . . . . . . . . Sarah Palin can spell corpsmen . . . . . . .)
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To: devolve
They are desperate. Pelosi looks like a skull, Reid issues threats. I'm surprised none of them has had a heart attack yet.
110 posted on 03/11/2010 5:55:34 PM PST by potlatch (- What a co-inky-stink!)
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To: fightinJAG
The only way out is THROUGH!

That's been my personal motto for the last quarter century.

111 posted on 03/11/2010 5:56:35 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: La Enchiladita

“How about making it an invisible bill too? Prez can sign with invisible pen...”

LOL - that’s about where this is at...MORONS!


112 posted on 03/11/2010 6:01:32 PM PST by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773 & pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: tractorman

“BTW you make some good cookies in Ripon.”

Cookie Daze!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZuJJz8B4Fo&feature=email


113 posted on 03/11/2010 6:05:42 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.)
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To: o2bfree

“The democrats left a long time ago. What we have here are socialists and outright communists.

Anybody on our side who can’t admit this fact... is one of THEM!!!”

or just plain stupid.


114 posted on 03/11/2010 6:12:44 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: potlatch

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They just keep getting wilder and wilder

Closed door secret Town Hall on OmommieCare in St Louis - only 400 invited union members

Over 2,200 at a Tea Party organized at the drop of a hat


115 posted on 03/11/2010 6:14:10 PM PST by devolve ( . . . . . . . . . Sarah Palin can spell corpsmen . . . . . . .)
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To: devolve

I read about both of them.
Think they only expected a few hundred conservatives at the town hall and thought I read they had 1800. May have been more than one or the count may have grown larger.


116 posted on 03/11/2010 6:18:37 PM PST by potlatch (- What a co-inky-stink!)
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To: Bryan24

“They BELIEVE (as fervently as we believe in a balanced budget) that National Healthcare is in the nation’s best interest.”

Totally disagree with that portion of your post only. The RATS aka Socialists don’t believe, nor try to do what is best for this Nation ever. They do what is best for their interests only. To Hell with this Nation is their attitude, and that is where they are taking us. To the source of their existance.


117 posted on 03/11/2010 6:19:43 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: Indy Pendance

indeed


118 posted on 03/11/2010 6:27:02 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Drudge had an article this afternoon that said that the Senate parliamentarian ruled that this method was illegal and could not be done, that the bill must be voted on intact and signed by the President before any changes can be made.


119 posted on 03/11/2010 6:28:19 PM PST by Eva (Obama bin Lyin)
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To: potlatch

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- The democrats are deathly afraid of any more open “Town Hall” meetings with voters

- How they plan to do this for the soon upcoming Nov 2010 midterm election campaigns will be interesting

- I believe they will also attempt to rig the audiences of any campiagn debates or simply refuse to debate challengers for their Congressional seats


120 posted on 03/11/2010 6:30:34 PM PST by devolve ( . . . . . . . . . Sarah Palin can spell corpsmen . . . . . . .)
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