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ISLAM MAY HAVE A POINT!
vanity | 2/1/2010 | A Navy Vet

Posted on 02/01/2010 1:06:22 AM PST by A Navy Vet

After reading some more Koran tonight, I had an epiphany.
I realized that some of the worst parts of the Koran were similar to worst parts of the Christian Bible. I now believe many parts of both were misinterpreted.

While I realize that Islam has been violent throughout its history, so has Judeism and Christianity (think Crusades).

I'm not sure I believe in the 72 virgin promise, but I am starting to get Mohammed's believe in a better after-life. I need to read more.

That said, our world has gone to shit. There can be a better place for those who believe.

Yes, I know I've been promoting the opportunity and potential of our original Founding Fathers' intent for years, but they were also persons of faith. I don't know what happened...call it a vision...call it a dream...call it what you like.

This is tough stuff for me. But when you have a "vision" of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed, where do you go?

The last prophet was Mohammed. Yes, I know of his trangressions, the same as others. But his writing are starting to make sense.


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To: Colorado Cowgirl
I see you have gone from the medical marijuana to the crack pipe in one easy move. Islam is intolerant and incompatible with all other religions. You have just discovered the # 1 mental illness in the world.

Really? You a mind reader or some voodoo psych?

141 posted on 02/01/2010 9:15:37 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
This is tough stuff for me. But when you have a "vision" of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed, where do you go?

I had this "vision" during an episode of South Park.

142 posted on 02/01/2010 9:27:08 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: A Navy Vet
This certainly explains some of your idiocy on display in those RKBA threads.

I'm sorry you've come to this. I sincerely hope you get it figured out before you do something terminally moronic.

143 posted on 02/01/2010 9:40:46 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: A Navy Vet

Sailor, your ship is sinking. You must leave it if you want to live.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

This eliminates all other religions. You must leave them if you want to live. Get in the lifeboat Vet.


144 posted on 02/01/2010 9:47:08 AM PST by bogusname (Banish All Liberals)
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To: A Navy Vet

Sailor, your ship is sinking. You must leave it if you want to live.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

This eliminates all other religions. You must leave them if you want to live. Get in the lifeboat Vet.


145 posted on 02/01/2010 9:51:21 AM PST by bogusname (Banish All Liberals)
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To: wk4bush2004
The koran clearly states that non-muslims must be converted, enslaved, or killed. muslims may lie, cheat, and steal in the name of islam. Given that, they are my mortal enemy. I didn't make it so, mohammed did.

Jesus said there would be NO more prophets after him, so that makes mohammed a false prophet - a disciple of satan. His life of genocide, rape, theft, pedophilia, etc., makes that pretty clear, too.

This is not about the differences among religions. This is about the battle between good & evil. To give credence to islam is to give credence to the devil.

If Charles Manson shows up at your door, will you welcome him with love, or will you shun him?

As for comparing muslims to rabid dogs, my apologies to the dogs.

146 posted on 02/01/2010 10:26:45 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: A Navy Vet

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (I Tim. 2:5)

There is obviously a huge void in your life you think will be filled by Islam. You are following after deception. I’ll pray that the Lord will open your eyes to “the Way, the Truth and the Life” (John 14:6).

“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”— Act 4:12

http://www.carm.org/islam


147 posted on 02/01/2010 10:32:27 AM PST by 444Flyer (Save the SEALs!(Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe, Petty Officer Jonathan Keefe/ Julio Heurtas))
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
“the word huri, universally interpreted by scholars as white-eyed virgins.......... means white grapes." ################################################################# So the martyrs get 72 white grapes. Seems fruitless (pun intended) for them to keep on killing then.
148 posted on 02/01/2010 10:36:51 AM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: wk4bush2004

I thought the posts have been fair and balanced...you may not like how someone expresses themselves but.... the Vet asked for peoples opinions did he not???? Of course he did.... since 9/11 he also knows he’ll be in for some comments that would surely be personal and cutting. He invited this. He knows what to expect.

Also There is One who had many words used to warn people, some very strong and unpleasnt words to those who were going down the wrong road as well. ....”White washed Hypocrites”.... “Vipers”... “Snakes”.... “Fools” etc. He then stated firmly to them..”How will you escape”.

There are people here trying to warn this guy as they should and I personallly prefer he sees this no matter the tone or intention.

You stated further.....”Regardless of this person’s beliefs, you people have no right to attack them, call them names, or compare them to animals.”

He gave them that right by asking them....He knows what to expect....and don’t forget the one you serve called those he was warning... snakes and vipers....animals.

We are also called to warn people who are going down the road the Vet desires to take...


149 posted on 02/01/2010 10:40:31 AM PST by caww
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To: LibertyForUs
I don't think he's American either, but then he didn't say he was in his post. His About Page flies the California flag, but that still doesn't make him an American.

Whether he gets the boot or not, I do think islam & FR are incompatible. I don't see too many calls for a world islamic caliphate here at FR.

150 posted on 02/01/2010 10:59:31 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: A Navy Vet

“After reading some more Koran tonight, I had an epiphany. “

More like gas.

Relax, the rest will pass shortly.

Use the ko-wrap paper to wipe when done.


151 posted on 02/01/2010 12:17:14 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: skr

Again, what transgressions from Jesus?


152 posted on 02/01/2010 1:28:26 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

There was no Islam before Mohammed, but it was a conglomeration of the peaceful aspects of several religions that impressed him in his early years. Islam changed when Mohammed married a rich woman which gave him power through a hired army. The power corrupted him and his cult from then on.


153 posted on 02/01/2010 1:33:48 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: A Navy Vet

Again, what transgressions from Jesus?


154 posted on 02/01/2010 1:40:47 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: A Navy Vet
While I realize that Islam has been violent throughout its history, so has Judeism and Christianity (think Crusades).

I wish I had time to respond to every puerile historical comparison.
Life is too short.

I stopped reading right there.

155 posted on 02/01/2010 2:33:23 PM PST by Publius6961 (He is not America; he is an employee seemingly unable to rise to minimal expectations.)
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To: A Navy Vet
You're WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY off track.

Judaism doesn't insist that you go out there and conquer the entire world for Jehovah. This differentiates it from Islam.
Christ forgoes violence entirely.

It also ignores the fact that the Crusades were defensive wars against the Islamic foe threatening Constantinople and the Mediterranean.

156 posted on 02/01/2010 2:42:04 PM PST by Little Ray (Madame President sounds really good to me...)
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To: A Navy Vet
what a joke you are. first learn the difference between faith and religion. Jehovah, the God of christians and Jews is not the same as allah the god of islam.

you have heard the statement “allah akbar”? akbar, directly translated means “greater” as in “allah is greater”
you ask greater than who?
well if you have read the bible you would know that only one individual ever said he would raise himself above the most high(Jehovah) and that is lucifer. also known as satan. so if you want to waste you breath its on you.

you may be interested in a reformed PLO terrorists view, his name is Walid Shoebat. heres a couple links to some audio clips that explain it alittle better.
http://www.khouse.org/6640/KICDSSPII-2/
http://www.khouse.org/6640/KICDA03-1/
http://www.khouse.org/6640/KICDSSPIII-2/
http://www.khouse.org/6640/KIDVD21-2/

Its all good but check out Walids bits.

by the way,faith saves and religion kills

157 posted on 02/01/2010 3:49:42 PM PST by gdc61
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To: skr

You need to go further than your resource that is stating this...just for a start the religions were pagan Gods, and even today Islam uses the crescent moon symbol of a pagan God.


158 posted on 02/01/2010 4:35:55 PM PST by caww
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To: Mister Da
I agree with all the skeptical replies to this thread.
That person can't be a Vet, navy or otherwise.

I don't think the navy could have any use for anybody that stupid. Or senile.

Or both.

159 posted on 02/01/2010 4:39:57 PM PST by Publius6961 (He is not America; he is an employee seemingly unable to rise to minimal expectations.)
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To: A Navy Vet; All

Even Moslems dont trust Moslems...

From a New Zealand newspaper 150 years ago...

To have heeded this warning may well have helped prevent Ft Hood, and maybe 9/11...

A MAHOMEDAN’S ADVICE.
Taranaki Herald, Volume VII, Issue 324, 16 October 1858, Page 4

A MAHOMEDAN’S ADVICE.

[From the Ptmjabee, May IS.] The following has been sent to us by a friend at Delhi. It is from the pen of a Mahomedan, of some intelligence, and containing as it does his opinion on his countrymen and his creed, is worth attention :—

With God’s grace I have been spared the fate of many of my Mahomedan brethren. God the one, and only God knows the secrets of every heart, knows that neither myself nor family ever entertained disaffection towards the British rule. We have for three generations been pensioners. The rebellion in which both innocent and guilty have perished, has been brought about by Mahomedan fanaticism, in the wild delusion, that the Prophet had decreed that the British rule should only last for one hundred years after the battle of Plassey ; and that after this the Mahomedan’s power would be as supreme as ever.

You are acquainted with the history of Hindoostan. I need not tell you that similar rebellions used’to occur, and will now continue to occur, so long as the British place confidence in any but their own. We Mahomedans are not true to ourselves, or to our God, how can we be true to those whom we are taught from our infancy to consider inimical to our religion ?

Few Mahomedans like myself venture to think for themselves, but are bigoted to the early notions inculcated by our Moulvees, and spiritual teachers j to argue, or think freely, would be considered the crime of crimes. It is a fact that the Sheeas would kill the Soonies, and the Wahalees both, though the three sects are essentially Mahomedans. We are not true to each other, how can we be expected to be faithful to the British ? T

he rebellion is not over yet, the British are making a greater mistake than ever j they formerly, as a precaution, only entertained 900 Hindoos to 100 Mahomedans, they are now entertaining 900 Mahomedans to 100 Hindoos; they are thereby increasing the firing and reducing the water, and I know the tenets of my own faith. lam perfectly satisfied that the mere consideration of pay will notalter or restrain my brethien,in their moral obligations to the Prophet, and we shall have all these horrors and murders again.

I, as an individual, with my family, though of the Mahomedan faith, are well wishers to the British, and hail their rule as a blessing to our country ; hence when the rebellion was going on in Delhi, I showed my loyalty by communicating with B. and C.

It was God’s will that I should be a traitor to my own — it was my fate, hut my life having been spared, tolls me that though I may have violated the tenets of my oithodox faith, yet God, the only God, has made it the instrument of saving my life. In telling you all this, as my friend, and one to whom I must ever be indebted for past kindness, I would venture to suggest a few policies.

Ist. Do not depend on the integrity of any native army, whether Mahomedan or Hindoo. Have European soldiery.

2nd. Never “teach the Natives of India the ail of war, the use of arms, the cannon, it will only be turned against their masters, as proVen in the late rebellion.

3rd. Let your revenue treasuries and military magazines be confided to the care of Europeans alone.

4th. Do not have any independent states, no royal pensioners ; remember the cub of the tiger, caged ever so young, has had while in its mothers womb instilled in its nature the thirst for blood.

5th. Do not suppose that any Mahomedan serving a Christian master can ever be honest, be the amount of his salary what it may. He serves only for gain. He will deceive you, and be corrupt; his dis. honesty, for serving a Christian, is the only atonement he can make to his Prophet. It is the only hope for pardon. Integrity would be perdition to his soul.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=TH18581016.2.11&cl=search&srpos=18&e=-07-1839—12-1869—10—11——1Secord-all&st=1


160 posted on 02/01/2010 5:17:41 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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