Fresh Salamander Tissue Found in Solid Rock

ICR News ^ | December 11, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

[GodGunsGuts]

Researchers have described remarkably well-preserved tissue discovered inside a salamander fossil. The fully intact muscle tissues also had blood-filled vessels, and they had not been mineralized like most fossils. This “fresh meat” find is depicted as the “highest quality soft tissue preservation ever documented in the fossil record.”[1] But given its assigned age of 18 million years old, it shouldn’t be there at all...

[GodGunsGuts]

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[GodGunsGuts]

Ping!

[Red Badger]

So, is it capable of being cloned? It may have been a “baby” and the full adult was 36 feet long!................

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[NewJerseyJoe]

P4L

[ICE-FLYER]

But given its assigned age of 18 million years old, it shouldn’t be there at all...

No...its not 18 Million years old.

[bgill]

Where’s the required Helen pic?

[mnehring]

The ICR article misrepresents the original findings. This wasn't 'meat' like a steak that was found, it was fossilized.

Better source here:.

”We noticed that there had been very little degradation since it was originally fossilised about 18 million years ago, making it the highest quality soft tissue preservation ever documented in the fossil record.”

In other words, these were soft tissue fossils, not "fresh meat".

[Gamecock]

“fresh meat”

Tastes like chicken!

[Joe 6-pack]

Have you been leaving your tissues laying around again?

[xcamel]

Breaking News!!

"Fresh crow flesh found in ancient asphalt!!"

[mnehring]

Also from this paper:

The fossil structures, however, have been reinterpreted as the remains of recent biofilms that lined, but did not infill completely, voids inside the bone, thus generating hollow structures with a similar geometry to blood vessels and osteocytes..

Again, not "fresh meat" but fossils of soft tissue.

[crusty old prospector]

Tampa with mountains in the background?

[GodGunsGuts]

I have read several articles and papers on this find now, and they all say the flesh was “organically preserved.”

[PugetSoundSoldier]

Read the original news release from the scientists and you'll see that ICR completely mis-states what is found, and misleads their readers about what is claimed. No surprise, really...

FTFA:

”We noticed that there had been very little degradation since it was originally fossilised about 18 million years ago, making it the highest quality soft tissue preservation ever documented in the fossil record.”

Emphasis added. All the tissue was fossilized, including the blood; what the excitement was about was the fact the cell walls were fossilized in 3 dimensions, so that we have an accurate "stone" replica of the original cell structure.

A bit different than ICR and you are trying to pass off, isn't it?

[ArrogantBustard]

Are you OK?

[verity]

For the record: “Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind” [Albert Einstein] ;-)

[GodGunsGuts]

PS Supposedly ancient organically preserved soft tissue discoveries are known as “fresh meat” finds.

[xcamel]

Tempe, Az.
I’ve been on that road, trust me, the asphalt is really, really ancient.

[the long march]

Now that’s just plain down right funny