They'd have to get by this guy...
Posted on 12/11/2009 1:04:21 AM PST by Electric Graffiti
STAR BULLETIN EDITION OF AUG. 14TH, ON FILE AT BERKLEY IDENTICAL TO PUBLISHED IMAGES by John Charlton
The Post & Email has just received PDF files from a highly credible source, establishing that the birth annoucement in the Star Bulletin Edition of Aug. 14, 1961, for Barack Hussein Obama, is authentic.
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You speak as though this definition is actually in the Constitution.
Nothing in my pet theory demands that Davis was the father.
Of course it's entirely possible and highly likely that a teen-aged liberal arts major was so well versed in U.S. citizenship law that she immediately knew that her baby boy's status as a natural born citizen and future president was in danger, so within hours of birth she initiated a long distance conspiracy from her base of operations in a third world armpit of a city to make sure that the proper paperwork was forged and filed.
Makes perfect sense...if your tinfoil beanie is on too tight.
With respect to the birth announcement, I don't see why it means jack squat to anybody. It is just a one-line announcement giving the name of the parents and their address. It doesn't say anything about where Obama was born. It could easily have been phoned in. Who would bother to fact check a birth announcement?
Except that if you read all the birth announcements from both papers for that day they are worded identically and are obviously the product of some bureaucratic filing. If they were the result of people phoning the information in then wouldn't you think there would be some variation in the wording and differences in the information included?
Those people who like to paint the "birthers" as nutjobs like to build up the conspiracy strawmen so they can support their own bias...
We don't have to paint Birthers as nut-jobs. They do a bang-up job of that all on their own.
Then you should have no problems pointing out what article of the Constitution that constitutional test is in.
And even if he had been born in Kenya what would have prevented that from happening if no conspiracy to doctor the records had occured? Would his mother have been prevented from returning to the states with him? No, she was a citizen and he was her son. Admission would have been automatic. Would it have prevented him from growing up in the U.S., getting an education and a job? No. So why the rush and why the big conspiracy to get everything into the paper and fake U.S. birth?
Based on what clause of the Constitution or what rule of law?
"Mumbo-Jumbo" is a racist term. It would have been used by the dead white men who wrote the Constitution, which thereby invalidates the document. If The Electoral College and the Chief Justice chose to ignore Article II and install a de facto, rather than a de jure POTUS, so be it. They think.
What has happened is an anti-constitutional coup. How to get it undone? Tough. The Constitution they undid also protects them, because only Congress can remove a President. IMHO, that's an unlikely scenario, since they, acting as The Electoral College, put him in.
That fact that only Congress can remove a President doesn't change even if, after another year or two of legal maneuvers to force the issue, the Federal District Court in DC issues the Writ of Quo Warranto, and BHO, Jr. is found ineligible. We can however, absolutely prevent BHO, Jr. from running in 2012 by insisting that members of The Electoral College perform their due diligence then and in all future elections. Other than that, looks like we are stuck with an impostor until his term is up.
I personally will never trust the Republican Party again for participating so wholeheartedly in this fraud; in this attack on the Constitution. To date, I have not heard one (1) elected Republican on any level directly address this issue, and that certainly includes all the potential candidates now strutting their stuff.
Oddly enough, not even the impostor himself claims to be a "Natural Born Citizen." Instead,he has spent millions to convince everyone that a "Native Born Citizen," which he may well be, is just as good, or even the same thing! To judge from the MSM, statements by elected officials, and even comments on this site, the ruse has worked.
I still think it likely that somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot.
The defenses of his failure to engage in FULL DISCLOSURE are pathetic, and are as believable as the Copenhagen BS we are being subjected to.
FULL DISCLOSURE means just that. Not ridiculous articles citing anonymous, “highly credible” sources. It’s a bad joke!
Well stated rebuttal.
Your reply was well thought out and very calm.
I am not so calm about it.
I think everyone forgets that he is adopted ... which, as I understand it, hides all old data even blocks it, and the new data only is shown i.e. on the COLB short form.
Perhaps he is even adopted twice, once going out to Indonesia, once coming back.
Remember that he started college at 18 or 19 as Soetoro .... meaning he might have been an Indonesian even in his own mind until the second divorce.
ie a foreign student.
So , no one has asked how the short form would change as the old data was washed in the case of an adoption.
I also think it very likely he was born in Canada in an unwed mothers home altho no one has much looked into this.
That would explain Mom showing up in Seattle so soon after birth.By car.
Don’t we have any billionaires to hire a few private detectives? Or someone willing to pursue it all?
As for the other point about the value of American citizenship, you covered it better than me but anyone living and travelling internationally knows all of this and saying sneeringly that it must have been a conspiracy with the Presidential election in mind is so foolish, so stupid, it’s hard to reply without exploding. Obviously, the grandparents would want to file in Hawaii and take advantage of their lax laws to get ole Barry American Passport etc.
These “journalists” don’t understand or are just willfully stupid? It seems so easy.
And by the way, it was Barry who quietly backed the campaign to make McCain prove he was eligible so that later he could say “See, even born outside the USA, it’s OK to run for President.” He knew he was eligible so that whole episode was extremely weird.
Maybe the name on his birth certificate is Barry Dunham and he never legally changed his name to Barack Obama. Which means he probably signed many documents without using his legal name.
There are probably many situations in his life he is trying to hide. He never listed any other names on his law application other than Barack Obama. And the application specifically asks for other names that have been used in the past.
If he had an Indonesian Passport, his name would have been Barry Soetero.
~~Meaningless document find ... PING!
Thanks for the ping, Starwise.
We just returned from a road trip back east. Many times, both coming and going, I left *sticky notes* (in restrooms, on restaurant tables, etc.) with a hand written question.....*Where’s the Birth Certificate?*
Don’t know if it does any good but it just might help.
Federal statute law has no bearing upon the matter, outside of the enumerated power of determining a uniform law of naturalization, pertaining to immigrants.
Natural born citizen, being a term of art specific to the Constitution, having no legal bearing at the Federal level upon any form of citizenship outside of that required for election to the office of President, and having never been legally challenged in the history of our country, means that the original understanding of the Framers stands, as the meaning of the term. This is why so many debate the original intent of the Framers, because it is still definitive.
And, as I’ve noted, that was a determination that was clearly reserved to the states at the time, so state law does have much more relevancy to and bearing upon the matter than is generally understood beyond the earliest decades of the post-Civil War era. Prior to the 14th Amendment, states made every determination of citizenship. There were states such as New York, that recognized birth within their geographic boundaries as natural born. The legal foundation for such states was much more oriented to English common law.
There were states whose legal foundation was more influenced by the Dutch and in turn de Vattel, which required citizen parents, such as Georgia, Connecticut and Virginia.
Virginia went further and required both. Virginia had a tremendous influence and impact upon many aspects of our Constitution. We have Virginia and Virginians to thank for the Bill Of Rights.
Federal law regarding eligibility for the Presidency had to accomodate all the Several States in the United States, in order to ensure eligibility across these varying jurisdictions, by every standard then in effect.
Those standards may not be in effect any longer, but the Constitutional language certainly is, and so it does matter.
Obama is not eligible for office under those standards, which are still in effect as a result of the Constitutional language and the basis upon which it was defined.
They'd have to get by this guy...
None at all.
What makes you so sure he isn’t working for Obama?
Because Obama works for him ;-)
Barry O. tried to pass of something that was inconsistent with what the rest of have and know to be a “Birth Certificate”.
The so called COLB has many flaws with it:
The best part and even more confusing is why he didn't release any of the three Birth Certificates we know already existed before 2007.
Those were most certainly BC’s and not a COLB. There is no reason to create confusion but, for the fact he is hiding something. That something will be discovered, though and this is a long process. “I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.” From “Dreams From My Father” (Pg. 26 last paragraph) So with all these Birth Certificates lying around, why did he feel it necessary to produce a "Certification of Live Birth" that is inconsistent with a Birth Certificate and wholly lacking all of the information you would find, in you know, a Birth Certificate? He seemed to have some emotional attachment to the Birth Certificate found among his mother’s belongings. Why wouldn’t he just slap that one up, for all the world to see? It seemed important that he found a document that is called a “Birth Certificate” and it is highly unlikely he would not know what one looks like.
Hope no one brings up some house fire that vaporized his BC. That was in 1972 and none of the documents listed here would have been affected by that “fishy” event.
Hey, you are back. I don’t know anything about Barry O. except that COLB is fake and was posted so he wouldn’t have to show one of three Long Form BC’s we know exist.
I want to see the long form, to determine paternity and where he was born.
Moreover, I want to see the long form BC because the COLB is such an obvious fraud and I want to see him in jeopardy.
Additionally, a Long form BC would answer a lot of questions and maybe even end my interest but, from there I would want to see his college entrance papers, as I believe he registered as a foreign student, to obtain preferences.
From there of course, I would want to see his passport records for his first world tour when he went Indonesia, Pakistan, etc.. What Nationality did he travel under?
Just a giant question in my mind especially since he has sealed all record of his existence.
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