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To: fr_freak; trumandogz
Given the circumstances, if Obama were born outside the US, it is entirely possible that his mother's status was not enough to convey citizenship due to her young age (the Hawaii statutes that existed at the time, from my understanding, required the mother to have been a full time resident of the US for at least five years prior to the birth) and the father, of course, could not convey citizenship status at all.

Of course it's entirely possible and highly likely that a teen-aged liberal arts major was so well versed in U.S. citizenship law that she immediately knew that her baby boy's status as a natural born citizen and future president was in danger, so within hours of birth she initiated a long distance conspiracy from her base of operations in a third world armpit of a city to make sure that the proper paperwork was forged and filed.

Makes perfect sense...if your tinfoil beanie is on too tight.

With respect to the birth announcement, I don't see why it means jack squat to anybody. It is just a one-line announcement giving the name of the parents and their address. It doesn't say anything about where Obama was born. It could easily have been phoned in. Who would bother to fact check a birth announcement?

Except that if you read all the birth announcements from both papers for that day they are worded identically and are obviously the product of some bureaucratic filing. If they were the result of people phoning the information in then wouldn't you think there would be some variation in the wording and differences in the information included?

Those people who like to paint the "birthers" as nutjobs like to build up the conspiracy strawmen so they can support their own bias...

We don't have to paint Birthers as nut-jobs. They do a bang-up job of that all on their own.

63 posted on 12/11/2009 5:46:18 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Hey, you are back. I don’t know anything about Barry O. except that COLB is fake and was posted so he wouldn’t have to show one of three Long Form BC’s we know exist.

I want to see the long form, to determine paternity and where he was born.

Moreover, I want to see the long form BC because the COLB is such an obvious fraud and I want to see him in jeopardy.

Additionally, a Long form BC would answer a lot of questions and maybe even end my interest but, from there I would want to see his college entrance papers, as I believe he registered as a foreign student, to obtain preferences.

From there of course, I would want to see his passport records for his first world tour when he went Indonesia, Pakistan, etc.. What Nationality did he travel under?

Just a giant question in my mind especially since he has sealed all record of his existence.


80 posted on 12/11/2009 7:49:04 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

So what if some attorney somewhere has managed to find a few old newspapers. Not microfilm, the actual newspapers, and the Nordyke twins, born on the same day, are in the papers, and Barry’s is missing? Big oops and enormous conspiracy going on.


140 posted on 12/11/2009 9:50:16 AM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Of course it's entirely possible and highly likely that a teen-aged liberal arts major was so well versed in U.S. citizenship law that she immediately knew that her baby boy's status as a natural born citizen and future president was in danger, so within hours of birth she initiated a long distance conspiracy from her base of operations in a third world armpit of a city to make sure that the proper paperwork was forged and filed.

Apparently you did not actually read the post you replied to. You are engaged in the same fallacy that many "anti-birthers" engage in, where you assert that some grand conspiracy to make Obama president is necessary for his mother or grandparents to want to ensure his citizenship. That is simply untrue, and is, quite frankly, childishly illogical. If you want to make a real argument, re-read the post and address the points made. Otherwise, you are just making yourself look silly.

Here is another example of your lack of coherent logic:

Except that if you read all the birth announcements from both papers for that day they are worded identically and are obviously the product of some bureaucratic filing.

The assertion that these are "obviously the product of some bureaucratic filing" is pure supposition on your part. You have no idea where these announcements came from, yet you are willing to accept, as fact, a theory that you just pulled out of your rear end. That is fine - absent the proper documentation, theory is all we have to go on, but it is supremely ironic that you'll accept your own supposition as fact while ridiculing better-grounded suppositions of "birthers". Once again, you are demonstrating non-logical thinking.
253 posted on 12/11/2009 3:11:20 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Non-Sequitur
Of course it's entirely possible and highly likely that a teen-aged liberal arts major was so well versed in U.S. citizenship law that she immediately knew that her baby boy's status as a natural born citizen and future president was in danger, so within hours of birth she initiated a long distance conspiracy from her base of operations in a third world armpit of a city to make sure that the proper paperwork was forged and filed.

Not a future president (usurper), but because they then could game the system with multiple social security numbers and the like!!!

284 posted on 12/11/2009 5:30:33 PM PST by danamco
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