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On Southern History: What is the Difference Between a "Scalawag" and a "Carpetbagger"?

Posted on 12/04/2009 11:25:06 AM PST by pinochet

I have always been fascinated by America's Civil War history, and its aftermath. Some terms such as "Scalawag" and "Carpetbagger" can can be confusing. How exactly do you define those two terms?

From the perspective of American history, should "Scalawags" and "Carpetbaggers" be considered heroes or villains? Should the White Southerners who fought for the Union during the Civil War be seen as heroes, who deserve monuments built to them in the South?


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It would be helpful to give a list of well known people today, and in the past, who are Scalawags and Carpetbaggers.
1 posted on 12/04/2009 11:25:07 AM PST by pinochet
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I’m sure the Clinton’s would be on that list, somewhere....


2 posted on 12/04/2009 11:26:44 AM PST by I_Publius
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Scalawags did not carry carpet bags.


3 posted on 12/04/2009 11:27:39 AM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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First of all, it wasn’t a “civil war.” The Confederate States did not want to take over the government of the USA. They wanted out. This should be called “The War for Southern Independence.” They had as much right to want their independence as the original 13 colonies did when they fought the British. The difference was that they lost, and the winners write the history books.


4 posted on 12/04/2009 11:29:12 AM PST by kittymyrib
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Ditto to post #3. I’m just a little more worried about the “carpetbaggers” in Washington TODAY.


5 posted on 12/04/2009 11:31:27 AM PST by SWEETSUNNYSOUTH (Liberalism is a mental disease.)
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A Scalawag is a President who comes into office and does just the opposite of what he said he would and a Carpetbagger is a President who comes from a different country and runs for President in this country. Hope this helps.


6 posted on 12/04/2009 11:31:52 AM PST by kempster
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In Gone With The Wind - Scarlett called Rhett Butler a Scalawag.


7 posted on 12/04/2009 11:32:25 AM PST by Boardwalk
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If I remember my 7th grade history class, they both had the same definition. The old Kleenex & tissue example.

But, then again, it was a public school circa 1973

8 posted on 12/04/2009 11:32:35 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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A carpetbagger was an interloper, a scoundrel, who descended upon the South in the wake of the war to exploit the dislocation and assume public office.

A Scalawag was a turncoat southerner.

All carpetbagger's were scalawags but no scalawag was a carpetbagger.


9 posted on 12/04/2009 11:32:39 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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A carpetbagger was an interloper, a scoundrel, who descended upon the South in the wake of the war to exploit the dislocation and assume public office.

A Scalawag was a turncoat southerner.

All carpetbagger's were scalawags but no scalawag was a carpetbagger.


10 posted on 12/04/2009 11:32:44 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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Scalawags were born here, Carpetbeggers moved in. Simple!!
11 posted on 12/04/2009 11:33:58 AM PST by org.whodat
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I know what a carptebagger was. I’ve never heard the term Scalawag. Could that by scalleywags? I thought that’s what Pirates called each other, like ahoy there ya’ scallywag!!


12 posted on 12/04/2009 11:34:42 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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You were saying ...

How exactly do you define those two terms?

Ummmm..., a good place to start is always with dictionaries... LOL...


scalawag, scallywag


carpetbagger


13 posted on 12/04/2009 11:34:46 AM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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That is correct it was the “War of Northern Aggression”.
14 posted on 12/04/2009 11:34:59 AM PST by org.whodat
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“Scalawags” were Southerners who co-operated with the occupation for their own benefit. “Carpetbaggers” were damnyankees who came down South, carrying all their possesioons in a ‘carpetbag’, hoping to exploit the situation to their own benefit.

Neither term could be considered complimentary.


15 posted on 12/04/2009 11:35:28 AM PST by chesley (Lib arguments are neither factual, logical, rational, nor reasonable. They are, however, creative.)
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This should be called “The War for Southern Independence.”

The "War of the Southern Rebellion" is actually more accurate.

They had as much right to want their independence as the original 13 colonies did when they fought the British.

They may have had as much right, but obviously not as much desire since they lost and the Founding Father's won.

The difference was that they lost, and the winners write the history books.

And the losers write the myths.

16 posted on 12/04/2009 11:35:28 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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See #11


17 posted on 12/04/2009 11:35:57 AM PST by org.whodat
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From the perspective of American history, should "Scalawags" and "Carpetbaggers" be considered heroes or villains?

I am sure you can find many heroes and many villians in both categories.

18 posted on 12/04/2009 11:36:16 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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You were saying ...

and the winners write the history books

and... also... political hacks trying to rewrite history after the fact... LOL...

19 posted on 12/04/2009 11:37:00 AM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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You were saying ...

Scalawags were born here, Carpetbeggers moved in. Simple!!

Ummmm... what you are?! An American Indian? LOL...

20 posted on 12/04/2009 11:39:44 AM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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