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Asian Darwinist Profs Call Creationists Barbarians
CEH ^ | October 22, 2009

Posted on 10/24/2009 4:02:17 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Oct 22, 2009 — “We have kept the creationist barbarians from the gate,” announced a professor at Hong Kong University triumphantly. A news article in Science this week described tensions in the city over the teaching of evolution. The Darwinists won a vote over a change in wording in the science curriculum that would have “opened the door to teaching creationism and intelligent design in secondary schools.” The door must be shut tight, apparently. Even the possibility of this happening created a furore.

Reporter Richard Stone said, “As a year of honoring Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution draws to a close, scientists in Hong Kong are celebrating a partial victory in what is likely to be an ongoing war against proponents of teaching creationism and intelligent design in secondary schools.” He called the partial victory “bittersweet” because it did not revise the guidelines, nor did it rein in “the few dozen schools in Hong Kong that openly espouse creationism.”

Stone said that most schools in Hong Kong, though publicly funded, are run independently – and many are affiliated with churches. The author of the “barbarians” comment, David Dudgeon (faculty board chair at U of HK) complained...

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To: TexasAg; GodGunsGuts; metmom

You’re kidding right? GGG posts the sky is blue and he gets attacked with endless insults and lies. GGG only returns fire.


81 posted on 10/26/2009 9:07:47 AM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: TexasAg

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2347175/posts?q=1&;page=301#323

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2368427/posts?page=233


82 posted on 10/26/2009 9:12:59 AM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: tpanther; GodGunsGuts; christianhomeschoolmommaof3
You’re kidding right? GGG posts the sky is blue and he gets attacked with endless insults and lies. GGG only returns fire.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2347175/posts?q=1&;page=301#323

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2368427/posts?page=233


What's your point with the links? The first is a link to Jim's statement on FR's homepage. The second is a link to a thread where GGG mocked someone's sobriety and was called out for it. Is that just "returning fire"?

As I said, these threads are kept out of the Religion forum so that bad behavior can continue on both sides.

If we evolved and there was no literal Adam that brought sin and death into the world, why did Jesus need to die? A figurative Genesis undermines the very reason for the gospel.

Sin is in the world regardless of whether Genesis is literal or figurative. Either way, Jesus died for our sins. I don't care whether humans evolved or were created from dust in the garden - it doesn't affect my faith in Jesus Christ at all.
83 posted on 10/26/2009 10:43:49 AM PDT by TexasAg
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To: TexasAg

You ignored the scripture that I posted when you posted your reply. Here it is again with some more (all I have time to post right now).

Romans 5:12
“Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned”

“1 Corinthians 15:45-47
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.”

“Romans 5:17
For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.”

“Romans 5:19
For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”

Again, I am not saying you have to believe in a literal Adam to be saved. However, the Scripture is clear that death and sin entered the world through one man (first Adam) and that through one man (Jesus) we can be made righteous. If you don’t believe in a literal Adam, you are not being consistent. Blessings!


84 posted on 10/26/2009 2:17:10 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: TexasAg; GodGunsGuts; metmom

People have been trying to keep the creation posts off of FR all together, if they fail at that, then the next effort is to “keep them in the religion forum where they belong”.

But that doesn’t work either and for good reason.

In both links this message is crystal clear.

And if you’re whining about the 10% of the time that creationists are fighting back the liberals that attack creationists 90% of the time, (and that’s being very very generous...)

oh well.


85 posted on 10/26/2009 6:15:58 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: tpanther; TexasAg; GodGunsGuts
People have been trying to keep the creation posts off of FR all together, if they fail at that, then the next effort is to “keep them in the religion forum where they belong”.

It fits right in with the mentality of telling people to keep their faith out of the public square, where the Constitution says it's protected.

*Keep it in church or your home, is the mantra, because allowing it to be freely exercised in public is tantamount to the government establishing a religion.*

Biggest bunch of hogwash to hit liberal thinking in decades.

The Constitution does not guarantee a religion free society. It guarantees a politic free religion.

It doesn't protect people from religion, it protects religion from the government.

86 posted on 10/26/2009 6:55:39 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; tpanther
It fits right in with the mentality of telling people to keep their faith out of the public square, where the Constitution says it's protected.

People have been trying to keep the creation posts off of FR all together, if they fail at that, then the next effort is to “keep them in the religion forum where they belong”. But that doesn’t work either and for good reason. In both links this message is crystal clear. And if you’re whining about the 10% of the time that creationists are fighting back the liberals that attack creationists 90% of the time, (and that’s being very very generous...)

Right, pointing out that these threads are intentionally kept out of the publicly-viewable Religion forum so both sides can engage in bad behavior is the same as saying you must keep your religion out of public view.

And tpanther, it says a lot that you view anyone who disagrees with you as liberal. Anyone who's viewed GGG's threads knows both sides give it. It most certainly isn't 10%-90%. Can I assume you are one of those who believes you must hold a literal creationist view to be a "true" Christian?

My faith in Jesus Christ is in no way dependent on a literal interpretation of Genesis, any more than it depends on a belief in spontaneous generation or any other discredited theory. Whether evolution turns out to be a correct theory, my belief in Jesus Christ will remain.
87 posted on 10/26/2009 7:34:22 PM PDT by TexasAg
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To: TooFarGone; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; metmom

This one seems to have your name written all over it bb!


88 posted on 10/26/2009 7:43:42 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

This is a stupid, go nowhere thread. I am glad you didn’t dedicate this one to me.


89 posted on 10/26/2009 7:46:38 PM PDT by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: freedumb2003; GodGunsGuts; metmom; CottShop; Agamemnon; editor-surveyor; count-your-change; ...

The TToE has been around for 200+ years, has millions of practitioners and billions of data points. Its detractors, which represent not even 1/100 of 1 percent, are practitioners outside of the Life Sciences.

In fact, most of the the people who post on and about these threads could not define a Scientific Theory if their life depended on it.


Nope, you just can’t make this stuff up folks!


90 posted on 10/26/2009 8:23:54 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: tpanther; freedumb2003

If we are to live in a free society, we must allow some people to use their freedom to be dumb.


91 posted on 10/26/2009 8:33:38 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: tpanther
Nope, you just can’t make this stuff up folks!

Yes. Like how most Christian schools do not teach YEC.

92 posted on 10/26/2009 8:43:35 PM PDT by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: freedumb2003; tpanther; GodGunsGuts; CottShop; Agamemnon; editor-surveyor; count-your-change; ...
In fact, most of the the people who post on and about these threads could not define a Scientific Theory if their life depended on it.

All coming from someone who can lay no claim to a degree in science himself.

Still trying to figure out on what basis you continue to lecture people with degrees in science on what science is all about.

93 posted on 10/26/2009 8:43:45 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
All coming from someone who can lay no claim to a degree in science himself.

Is that the now standard for credibility on these threads?

94 posted on 10/26/2009 9:03:22 PM PDT by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: GodGunsGuts
If we are to live in a free society, we must allow some people to use their freedom to be dumb.

Your key to surviving.

95 posted on 10/26/2009 9:04:36 PM PDT by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: metmom; freedumb2003

Good point, Metmom. Come to think of it, I can’t recall Freedumb sticking around long enough to debate much of anything. Hey Freedumb, why don’t you post a “Top Three Reasons Evolution is True” or some such, and we will come. C’mon, let’s see what you’re made of.

PS Remember, if you post the debate thread, we will come!!!


96 posted on 10/26/2009 9:05:25 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: ColdWater
You are not competent to comment on way or the other. Not realizing this, you commented anyway.
97 posted on 10/26/2009 9:08:20 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom

>>All coming from someone who can lay no claim to a degree in science himself.<<

One does not need a degree in science to understand it. One need but to understand it. If I am wrong, I, as always, invite you to tell me where I am scientifically wrong.

>>Still trying to figure out on what basis you continue to lecture people with degrees in science on what science is all about.<<

When people use astrology in place of astronomy, any layperson with a telescope, a stopwatch and a 100-YO star chart is in a position to claim science over superstition.

And please tell us who on these threads who do not understand science have science degrees. If it is you, then please post your understanding of what a Scientific Theory is. Then you can explain how TToE does not pass muster AND how an ID does. We all await your (or any “scientist”) response.

Your constant ad hominem attacks on my posts do nothing to advance your cause.

And that saddens me, because I think you are a good, if very addled, person.

The worst part is that you think that by advancing ignorance as a cause you are doing God’s work, when it is Satan that laughs at delight at your spreading willful ignorance.


98 posted on 10/26/2009 9:16:51 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: tpanther

I wouldn’t even try.


99 posted on 10/26/2009 9:16:56 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: TexasAg

Again, the bad behavior is from the evolutionist side of the aisle. Again, it’s the evolutionist side of the aisle that attempts to shut down debate by not diuscussing the actual articles, but whines about them being where they “shouldn’t be”, or spews liberal nonsense about “religious attacks on science” ad nauseum, ad infinatum.

In case you missed it, FR is a conservative forum and it’s obvious you missed the two links and their relevance to your extremely liberal take on placement of GGG’s posts.

And no your assumptions are wrong, as was already pointed out, you don’t have to believe in scripture a certain way, however it’s obviously a disconnected view, (as was also pointed out), to believe in evolution, the way it is understood, “taught” (more like indoctrinated) or defined and also be a Christian.

As I said 90-10% was being generous.

It’s your side of the aisle that constantly gets banned, and then pushes the envelope with “Christian taliban” comments on 9-11-09 no less.

And that’s not even addressing the outright lies, strawmen, endless projections and various other evo-liberal behavior we see on these threads daily.

I call out liberalism wherever and whenever I see it...like liberals that defend the NEA indoctrination going on in public schools, or anyone that demands posts be posted in some other forum “where it belongs” when the owner has already clearly indicated several times, will not stand.


100 posted on 10/26/2009 9:17:18 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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