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Bones of “Ardi,” New Human Evolution Fossil, “Crushed Nearly to Smithereens” (LOL!!!)
Evolution News & Views ^
| October 2, 2009
| Casey Luskin
Posted on 10/02/2009 3:27:36 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Another new alleged missing link has been found, if you consider something discovered in the early 1990s new. This fossil seems to have spent almost as much time under the microscope at Berkeley as it did in the ground in Ethiopia, when it was first buried about 4.4 million years ago.
Why did it take over 15 years for the reports on this fossil to finally be published, besides the fact that it allowed more time for planning the now-customary PR campaign? A 2002 article in Science explains exactly why: the bones were so brittle, squished, chalky and erod[ed] when cleaned such that many of the bone fragments had to be reconstruct[ed]and that took a long time. Heres the story from more than seven years ago:
[I]n 1992, the Middle Awash Research Team, co-led by [Tim] White, made a discovery that ended Lucys reign. About 75 kilometers south of Lucys resting place, at Aramis in the Afar depression of Ethiopia, the team found fossils of a chimp-sized ape dated to about 4.4 million years ago.
The team named this species Ardipithecus ramidus, drawing on two words from the Afar language suggesting that it was humanitys root species. But skeptics argue that the published fossils are so chimplike that they may represent the long-lost ancestor of the chimp, not human, lineage.
The next field season, team member Yohannes Haile-Selassie found the first of more than 100 fragments that make up about half of a single skeleton of this species, including a pelvis, leg, ankle and foot bones, wrist and hand bones, a lower jaw with teethand a skull. But in the past 8 years no details have been published on this skeleton. Why the delay? In part because the bones are so soft and crushed that preparing them requires a Herculean effort, says White. The skull is squished, he says, and the bone is so chalky that when I clean an edge it erodes, so I have to mold every one of the broken pieces to reconstruct it. The team hopes to publish in a year or so, and White claims that the skeleton is worth the wait, calling it a phenomenal individual that will be the Rosetta stone for understanding bipedalism.
(Ann Gibbons, In Search of the First Hominids, Science, 295:1214-1219 (February 15, 2002).)
Of course a key feature in demonstrating that an organism was bipedal is the precise shape of its pelvis. But look at what one of the current media stories on
A. ramidus is reporting about the original condition of the pelvis that was discovered:
One problem is that some portions of Ardi's skeleton were found crushed nearly to smithereens and needed extensive digital reconstruction. "Tim [White] showed me pictures of the pelvis in the ground, and it looked like an Irish stew," says Walker. Indeed, looking at the evidence, different paleoanthropologists may have different interpretations of how Ardi moved or what she reveals about the last common ancestor of humans and chimps.
(Michael D. Lemonick and Andrea Dorfman, "Excavating Ardi: A New Piece for the Puzzle of Human Evolution," Time Magazine (October 1, 2009).)
The recent news report in
Science recounts the same problems with the fossil:
But the teams excitement was tempered by the skeletons terrible condition. The bones literally crumbled when touched. White called it road kill. And parts of the skeleton had been trampled and scattered into more than 100 fragments; the skull was crushed to 4 centimeters in height.
(Ann Gibbons, "A New Kind of Ancestor: Ardipithecus Unveiled," Science, Vol. 326:36-40 (Oct. 2, 2009).)
National Geographic put it thus:
After Ardi died, her remains apparently were trampled down into mud by hippos and other passing herbivores. Millions of years later, erosion brought the badly crushed and distorted bones back to the surface. They were so fragile they would turn to dust at a touch.
Chalky? Squished? Badly crushed and distorted? Needed extensive digital reconstruction? After all the
media hype and overblown claims about importance of Ida, forgive me for having an initial reaction of skepticism. How far would you trust a Rosetta stone that was initially crushed to smithereens and would turn to dust at a touch?
Claims of bipedalism often depend upon precise measurements of the angles of key bones such as the pelvis, femur, and knee-bones. But if these bones were discovered in such a crushed, squished, etc. form, determining the precise contours of these bones might become a highly subjective exercise. Im sure they spent a lot of time on their reconstructions (and it certainly sounds like they did) but at the end of the day, its difficult to make solid claims about extremely unsolid bones.
Anyone for some Irish stew?
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To: GodGunsGuts
Indeed, looking at the evidence, different paleoanthropologists may have different interpretations of how Ardi moved or what she reveals about the last common ancestor of humans and chimps. Yes, this thing doesn't exactly belong in the front hall of the house of Darwin. Probably goes without saying it can't yield any DNA.
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posted on
10/02/2009 3:29:39 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(The Democrat party is a criminal enterprise.)
To: GodGunsGuts
Perhaps scientific discoveries are the Creators way of applauding our curiosity and maintaining our sense of wonder. We should never lose appreciation for our God given senses which serve to remind us that we were made in His image.
He has blessed us in so many ways - we should not be afraid to consider that perhaps we have not known everything from - or of, the beginning, but that our knowledge is evolving..on His time-table.
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posted on
10/02/2009 3:32:47 PM PDT
by
sodpoodle
(Never give up- Keep Up!!!)
To: GodGunsGuts
The reconstruction was, perhaps, imaginative.
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posted on
10/02/2009 3:33:02 PM PDT
by
arthurus
("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...
All this hype for a crushed fossil that they think may have been trampled by a herd of hippos?...PLLEEEAAAAASEE!!!!
Is there no end to the lengths the evos will go to destroy their own credibility?
To: GodGunsGuts
I read an article that said it took them over six years to digitally reconstruct just the skull. With pieces that mangled and minute the end conclusion is inherently precarious.
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posted on
10/02/2009 3:34:26 PM PDT
by
allmost
To: sodpoodle
Perhaps scientific discoveries are the Creators way of applauding our curiosity and maintaining our sense of wonder. We should never lose appreciation for our God given senses which serve to remind us that we were made in His image.Perfectly said. Thank you.
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posted on
10/02/2009 3:34:48 PM PDT
by
vox_freedom
(America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
To: GodGunsGuts
Yep, that is pretty pathetic.
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posted on
10/02/2009 3:34:53 PM PDT
by
TruthConquers
(Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
To: arthurus
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posted on
10/02/2009 3:35:08 PM PDT
by
LearsFool
("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
To: GodGunsGuts
"Tim [White] showed me pictures of the pelvis in the ground, and it looked like an Irish stew," says Walker.
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"And a fine stew it was... with a drop or two of potcheen, life was grand back then."
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posted on
10/02/2009 3:43:18 PM PDT
by
Covenantor
("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
To: GodGunsGuts
So what is your point? That the bones are not from a now extinct hominid, that they are not 4.4 million years old, that the reconstruction techniques are not valid, or simply that the extrapolation to any direct ancestral relationship to modern humans is erroneous?
To: GodGunsGuts
The only missing link is in liberals’ denial. Pervs have attemtped to copulate with cool monkeys in the past and liberals have apparently been the result . This is a much more accurate version of the ancestry story mania of today.
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posted on
10/02/2009 3:47:12 PM PDT
by
JudgemAll
(control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
To: Natural Law
The reconstruction would have to be painfully subjective.
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posted on
10/02/2009 3:50:26 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(The Democrat party is a criminal enterprise.)
To: Natural Law
Are you defending this find? It has embarrassment written all over it. But hey, if the evos want to push a fossil that was in such bad shape that they had to digitally reconstruct it, who am I to stand in their way...LOL!
To: sodpoodle
...we should not be afraid to consider that perhaps we have not known everything from - or of, the beginning, but that our knowledge is evolving..on His time-table.
Ask the Creator about these things. Don't be afraid. It may take a while, you will get an answer.
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posted on
10/02/2009 3:52:55 PM PDT
by
carumba
(The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho)
To: GodGunsGuts
A forensic reconstruction!
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posted on
10/02/2009 3:59:47 PM PDT
by
SWAMPSNIPER
(THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
To: GodGunsGuts
Didn’t you see that news article?? We didn’t come from apes, they came from us....
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posted on
10/02/2009 4:00:02 PM PDT
by
GeronL
To: GodGunsGuts
"Are you defending this find?"Which aspect of it? This could have been the "dust of the ground" that God breathed life into.....
To: GodGunsGuts
Don’t despair, friends. A new “find” that revolutionizes our understand of human ancestry occurs about every ten years.
To: GodGunsGuts
Were not some of the Dead Sea Scrolls reconstructed using digital techniques? My impression was that it was easier to scan the fragments, and let the computer match up the pieces. Also, that method was less likely to cause damage due to repeated handling of the fragments.
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