Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid
Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)
Precisely! AND to keep others from trying to get their hands on the document they would say.....
Good night...
See you at 10,000
:)
Looking at the example given by Fred. Notice that:
(at 9) both the Dr and the nurse are listed....Could the two names David noted on the BC (One a woman) be the same. The Dr and the nurse (as witness).
(10)Registrar is listed and then signed by the registrar who place it in the record and the record is notated.
What do we have from the two documents (Orly and Smith)?
Are there conflicts?
Dr (1961):
Head of hospital (1961):
Registrar at time of birth (1961):
Registrar who produced BC (2009):
Head of hospital (2009):
Other:
the document I posted on #9859 is for an ANCESTOR OF BOMFORD BORN IN 1918.
It’s NOT the document Orly has.
I know...But David says the document had two signatures, one a woman...My observation is that the BC you posted has both the DR and the nurse who witnessed the birth listed. TWO witnesses. ( &A place for a second who was not a nurse)
Two witnesses are still common procedures on wills, living wills etc. unless the person witnessing a signature is a notary public, then only one is required.
I’m going back and filling out this outline using both Smith and Orley. Are their conflicts?
Dr (1961):
Head of hospital (1961):
Registrar at time of birth (1961):
Registrar who produced document in 1964:
Registrar who produced BC (2009):
Head of hospital (2009):
Other:
Placemark.
Just ran across information on U of Sidney
#9783
..and I just ran across the enlargements:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2306351/posts?page=9763#9763
Coast Province General Hospital existed BEFORE 1961:
Easier to read here:
http://americangrandjury.org/ebay-seller-is-back-with-a-youtube-video-of-obamas-kenyan-birth-certificate
Help me finish it.....
Smith vs Orly data:
Dr (1961): James O W Ang’Awa (smith
Head of hospital (1961): John Kwame Odongo (smith
Registrar in (1961): E. F. Lavender (orly
Registrar in (1964):
Registrar who produced BC (2009):
Head of hospital (2009): Dr Heltan Maganga (smith
Are these correct? Is there any conflict in the two?
from the comments:
Copy is issued on Feb 1, 09 by
Hilton Magonga
Chief Administrator (so should be there today)
Issued by:
Coast Province General Hospital
Mombasa British Protectoriate of Kenya
Certificate Number 32018
DOB August 4, 1961 Time: 7:42PM
Weight: 7Lbs, 1 Oz 18″ Long
Mother: Stanley Ann Obama
Maiden Name: Dunham
Birthplace of Mother: Wichita, KS, United States
Residence of Mother: Honalulu, Hawaii, United States
Occupation of Mother: Student
Father: Barak Hussein Obama
DOB: 1936
Birthplace of Father: Kantadhiang Village, Kyanza
Occupation of Father: Student
Attending Physician: James O. W. Ang*Awa
Hospital Administrator: John Kwame Odongo 8/7/1961
I do have a frame of reference on Farah that not everyone has. I used to be closely involved with a conservative news and opinion web site. Without getting bogged down in details, I'll just say that JF does not get overly hung up on scruples in the way he runs his site and the way he gets his news. And this is another reason I vote for “lies” versus incompetence.
I'm going to make a list of reasons they would lie and I'll try very hard to come up with one or more that don't speak to the bottom line ($) in some way.
1. Your reason, Obama Researcher, to get the price of the Smith document down. ($$$)
2. To extend the whole birth certificate matter and their “Where's the Birth Cert.” campaign which I'll wager has improved their traffic and overall visibility. ($$$)
3. They are getting paid by the other side to get people off the track of the real documents. This would also help with #2 and #1. ($$$)
4. They are being threatened or someone is and they are cooperating to keep someone from being harmed. (no $)
5. They are working on a bigger story that encompasses these documents and the people involved with them and are deliberately being misleading to keep the hounds at bay long enough to get it put together. (this is no $ now but will lead to big $$$ if they succeed)
6. They are cooperating covertly with some alphabet people. (no $)
7. They want to ride the bc train for all it is worth but at the same time want to mitigate their categorization as “birthers” in the worst sense of the term. ($$$ - site traffic but not dropped by advertisers for being nutballs)
If you believe they are fully aware that their facts are wrong, you also have to believe that the reason is serious or involves serious money. The hit to their credibility is severe if not widely known. Should the truth come out elsewhere in a credible manner, it WILL be widely known. So it is potentially very serious.
The truth is just as Obama Researcher said - the docs have not been ruled out and the Orly doc was put through the ringer big time here. The Aussie doc is the fake. The existence of the hospital has been proved (slight name change is all) kahunah and you did it again. The Corsi article about the Smith document is really out to lunch as most of the other points on his list are nonstarters as well.
Anybody want to argue these points or fill in any that are missing? For my part, I hope WND’s reason is one or more of the nobler ones above because if not they are being very self-serving. Yes, that's their normal mode, but in this case it works against the country and I find it to be particularly reprehensible.
Can you help fill in the ???
Dr (1961): James O W Ang’Awa (smith*
Head of hospital (1961): John Kwame Odongo (smith
Registrar in (1961): E. F. Lavender* (orly
Registrar in (1964): Joshua Sixon Oduga (sp) (orly
Registrar who produced BC (2009):
Head of hospital (2009): Dr Heltan Maganga*(smith
* Confirmed
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Yes, we have strong hits for "James O W Ang’Awa", also known in TB academic circles as "Ang’awa JO" with minor variants of the same name. The third reference below has his article in a medical journal in Kenya in 1965, and the fifth reference has him writing a 1959 article in Mombasa. So the probably factor goes UP, especially factoring in the article, "The pattern of disease as seen by medical admissions to the Coast Province General Hospital in 1960" (See Post 9,911 above).
# 1. Tuberculosis in Africans. Prolonged observations on drug sensitivity of M. tuberculosis during chemotherapy. Citation Only Available (eng) By Zykov MP, Egsmose T, Ang’awa JO, Roulet H, Gaya N, Poti SJ, Pneumonologie. Pneumonology [Pneumonologie], ISSN: 0033-4073, 1974 Sep; Vol. 151 (1), pp. 19-32; PMID: 4216010 Database: MEDLINE
# 2. A serological test in tuberculosis. A “blind” trial of the kaolin-agglutination test (KAT) for detection of tuberculosis antibodies. Citation Only Available (eng) By Zykov MP, Geser A, Egsmose T, Godovannyi BA, Donets I, Ang’awa JA, Patel RI, Blocher C, Poti SJ, Bulletin Of The World Health Organization [Bull World Health Organ], ISSN: 0042-9686, 1966; Vol. 35 (4), pp. 581-92; PMID: 5335460 Database: MEDLINE
# 3. Case finding programmes in the control of pulmonary tuberculosis in . Citation Only Available (eng) By Ang’awa JO, East African Medical Journal [East Afr Med J], ISSN: 0012-835X, 1965 Nov; Vol. 42 (11), pp. 666-72; PMID: 5861867 Database: MEDLINE
# 4. The use of isoniazid among household contacts of open cases of pulmonary tuberculosis. Citation Only Available (eng) By Egsmose T, Ang’awa JO, Poti SJ, Bulletin Of The World Health Organization [Bull World Health Organ], ISSN: 0042-9686, 1965; Vol. 33 (3), pp. 419-33; PMID: 5321762 Database: MEDLINE
# 5. Prednisone in the treatment of patients with pulmonary tuberculosis at Port Reitz Chest Hospital, . Citation Only Available (eng) By ANG'AWA J, HAYNES WS, East African Medical Journal [East Afr Med J], ISSN: 0012-835X, 1959 Mar; Vol. 36 (3), pp. 147-63; PMID: 13652828 Database: MEDLINE
# 6. Clinical trials of azacrin in East Africa. Citation Only Available (eng) By ANG'AWA JO, FENDALL NR, The Journal Of Tropical Medicine And Hygiene [J Trop Med Hyg], ISSN: 0022-5304, 1954 Mar; Vol. 57 (3), pp. 59-65; PMID: 13143616 Database: MEDLINE |
You pretty well have all the facets covered....Good job.
Doo you happen to have Orly’s document saved?...Still have a couple of blanks I need to fill in on my homework....
Like the book and page number it’s register in and compare any number with Mr. Smith’s (I don’t think that’s his real name)
Confirmed:
Hospital
Dr (1961): James O W Ang’Awa (smith*
Registrar in (1961): E. F. Lavender* (orly
Head of hospital (2009): Dr Heltan Maganga*(smith
Need to confirm:
Head of hospital (1961): John Kwame Odongo (smith
Registrar in (1964): Joshua Sixon Oduga (sp) (orly
Need to compare numbers on registration vs. Book/page and possible other registration number.
according to audio of the smith tape at 2:02 and a close look, it is Supervisor of Obsterics (Obstetrics)not hospital administrator, question remains is the supervisor a doctor or not? I would think they are a doctor.
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