Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link

orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

[rxsid]

Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.

Barry's Kenyan B.C.??

Special Motion for leave

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)

[Smokin' Joe]

Well, just two hundred more to go...

[little jeremiah]

LOL! ;-)

[MHGinTN]

That was not random. In formal German, all nouns and some central subjects of a sentence are capitalized.

[hoosiermama]

Pissant is trying to catch up and was reponding to an old post. Hurry Piss Hurry!

[pissant]

Where does the August 19 date come from?

[David]

Where does the August 19 date come from?

Corsi's article (in WND). He uses that date specifically and then others have picked it up.

But it's just dead wrong. I was on the University of Washington campus almost every day between around 10 August and around 15 September in 1961. There weren't any classes in process and there wasn't any real physical attendance anywhere either.

[1-Eagle]

The only confusion as to the intended, original meaning of the term "natural born citizen" arises from deliberate obfuscation created by a tortured interpretation of the 14th Amendment. The 14th Amendment dealt with extending the rights and obligations of citizenship to former slaves.

Suddenly... the reason for Obama's oval office desk made of slave ship wood seems to become more clear.

If challenged, he is going to claim he is covered by the 14th. By the time a case like that gets resolved, he will have his 4 years done.

For the fun of it.. lets say all of this is true and winnable in a court action, which, if I'm correct, would lead to putting it before the House of Representatives, still something like that cannot win in a Senate that propped up a perjuring (and now dis-barred) Bill Clinton, which would lead to a helluva mess in 2012.

But Obama may have never intended to run for a second term, knowing full well this was eventually going to come up, which would certainly offer a better explanation as to why he appointed Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State, and why they still viciously attack Palin. They fear a Palin vs Hillary contest in 2012, because Hillary has never drawn 10,000 people to a rally in her whole life. Hillary's political machine is still running, and they ain't just whistlin' Dixie.

(It would also explain Obama's brash tactics and sense of extreme urgency to get his agenda passed. He has two good years to pass legislation.)

In return for Obama's generosity of providing Hillary some foreign policy cred, Hillary has likely promised Obama he will be the next Sec of State, or Ambassador to Hawaii, or whattheheck... hes got the Pres. pension, and Secret Service protection for life... he's fixed up for life. He can go out and 'community organize', make speeches in Japan for a cool million, and be rich and play golf. Works good for him. So he will have more fun and make more money by NOT running in 2012, anyway. Sounds like some very practical thinking to me.

So Obama avoids the Constitutional crisis of 2012 by stepping aside in the 'spirit of bringing this country together' and lets Hillary run for her chance at the national perk lottery.

[penelopesire]

Thanks...I’ll try to buck up. It’s just so horrifying to witness this man tearing our country apart.

[David]

Your 7822 Documents for baby Obama to get on the plane in Kenya.. What did she use ???

Her own passport. Infants travel on their parents passport. Could still have been done with my own son as recently as the 1980's; they tried to talk us into doing that rather than getting him a passport but we got him a real passport of his own anyway. I foresaw that would be a future issue.

But in the 60's, the common thing was kids to travel on their parent's passport--particularly a baby.

[afraidfortherepublic]

Could the August 19 have been a registration date for extension courses or correspondance courses? They wouldn’t necessarily follow the same schedule as regular classes. At least, they didn’t at Berkeley. I thought it might be necessary for me to take a correspondance course one summer when I was at Berkeley during that same time period.

I remember that I had to apply for permission to do so — done by mail. After I was approved, I had to come up with tuition, send for materials, etc. As it turned out, I didn’t take the course, after all, but that was the procedure.

[Lurking Libertarian]

But in the 60's, the common thing was kids to travel on their parent's passport--particularly a baby.

Yes, but the baby had to be listed on the parent's passport. No way the State Depatment would do that for a baby who wasn't a citizen (as Obama would not have been had he been born overseas).

[afraidfortherepublic]

But in the 60's, the common thing was kids to travel on their parent's passport--particularly a baby.

And in their mother's lap! ;^)

[STARWISE]

What about the ‘natural born’ language for
President and Vice President?

So you think he’s got his ancestry (assuming
his father IS BHO Sr) traced back to slaves?

Stomach’s got the ooopsies now ...
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Guess who’s involved in that?
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Prof. Henry Louis Gates

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[afraidfortherepublic]

But, if the baby was a newborn, how did he get on the passport. She would have had to apply at the embassy. In 1961, did we have an embassy in Mombassa? Nairobi?

[WhiskeyX]

Yes, that is the same disinformation the Obaama Administration is using to deceive people.

In fact, the Supreme Court ruled a very long time ago in Marbury v. Madison that it is quite impossible for the term “citizen” as it is used in Amendment XIV to have the same meaning as “natural born citizen” phrase was used in Article 2 of the Constitution (Leo Donofrio and sister).

“It cannot be presumed that any clause in the constitution is intended to be without effect; and therefore such construction is inadmissible, unless the words require it.”

Constructing the word “citizen” in Amendment XIV to render the “natural born citizen” phrase without effect for the purpose intended by the Founding Fathers as it was written into the Constitution and actually effected to the present day is in the words of Justice Marshall “inadmissible, unless the words require it.”

For thousands of years, virtually every society and government within the tradition of our present Law of Nations has observed a custom of using allegiance by birth and allegiance by oath as a means of establishing citizenship in a society and nation. The Founding Fathers relied upon this universal principle of allegiance and citizenship when including the phrase “natural born citizen” to indicate a person born with allegiance only to the United States of America was a requirement for eligibility to the Office of the President.

Now we have a gang of people who have failed many attempts in very recent years to obtain an Amendment to the Constitution which would make Barack Hussein Obama Jr. eligible for the Office of the President. Having failed to lawfully obtain the required Amendment to the Constitution before the presidential campaign, they instead resorted to simply brazening it out in disregard of the Constitution. Now they seek to exploit legal loopholes, pettifoggery, and false propaganda as a means of obfuscating the obvious fact the Founding Fathers by word and deed denied the Office of the President to any person born with allegiance to a foreign sovereign and government.

Barack Hussein Obama Jr. has acknowledged the fact he was a natural born citizen of, therefore with allegiance to, the Sovereign United Kingdom of Great Britain, Queen Elizabeth II, by reason of his father’s citizenship. Before the era when dual citizenship was introduced, his father’s British citizenship conferred only British citizenship upon Barack Hussein Obama Jr. Since dual citizenship was introduced, Barack Hussein Obama Jr.was certainly natural born with British citizenship, and he may or may not have been additionally natural born with U.S. citizenship, depending upon yet to be revealed and proven facts of birth.

Nonetheless, whether or not Barack Hussein Obama Jr. was a natural born citizen of the United States, his status as a natural born citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain with allegiance to Quenn Elizabeth II conferred upon him at birth was the very foreign citizenship and allegiance to a foreign sovereign which the Founding Fathers used the “natural born citizen” phrase to make ineligible for the Office of the President. Any natural born citizenship or other U.S. citizenship retained by Barack Hussein Obama Jr. is irrelevant with respect to giving effect to the eligibility of a person who was ever a natural born or other citizen with allegiance to a foreign sovereign and government. Any attempt to construct a different meaning is “inadmissable” as Justice Marshall wrote in Marbury v. Madison.

[afraidfortherepublic]

So you think he’s got his ancestry (assuming his father IS BHO Sr) traced back to slaves?

More like slave TRADERS.

[PeaceBeWithYou]

The Resolute Desk does not belong to Obama. Look it up!

[hoosiermama]

If she flew the route mentioned earlier, she flew into Canada and would just have to ride the ferry, or drive across the border with the baby....No big deal. David did the research and posted the flight plan for the year 1961. back in the thread...

[David]

The Constitution is the supreme law, and it contains legal terms, with a specific, known definition evident in the writing of them. There are many terms of art used in the Constitution, not just in the one instance referring to "natural born citizen." The only confusion as to the intended, original meaning of the term "natural born citizen" arises from deliberate obfuscation created by a tortured interpretation of the 14th Amendment. The 14th Amendment dealt with extending the rights and obligations of citizenship to former slaves. It did not and does not, however, alter eligibility requirements for the office of President.

That's mostly true. The issue is how citizenship at birth is distinguished from "natural born citizen" under Article II.

Pretty difficult to see how a person would be a natural born citizen and not a citizen at all.

De Vattel is just a guy like Blackstone who sat down and wrote a general summary of the Law of the nations. He was good and his work was the best document of its time so it was influential.

But if you're in a lawsuit and going to make a legal argument to the court, you look for the law. The English Common Law is adopted as the law of the land. I assume, and I have not sat down in the library and looked carefully at ancient English cases, but I expect you would find lots of law on the issue of natural born subjects. And you would argue based on the authority of the historical communications some of which but not all are posted here, that those precedents governed the facts here.

You aren't going to find someone born in a far away jurisdiction subject to the sovereignty of another king with no real attachments to your country held to be a natural born subject at common law--and we aren't going to find him a nature born citizen either.

[Spaulding]

Very Interesting! That may fall into the category of observations such as Donafrio’s that Citizen of the U.S. in the Hamilton draft of June 1787, became ‘natural born citizen’ after the July 25 letter requesting that change from John Jay to G. Washington. Punctuation did mean something, particularly in the constitution itself.