Posted on 07/28/2009 8:55:15 PM PDT by DouglasKC
Is the State of Hawaii trying to help "birthers" by giving clues to Obama "late" birth certificate?
What is a "late" registration birth certificate?
If you were born in the state of Hawaii but your birth was never registered there you can apply for a late registered birth certificate.
The Hawaii Department of Health says this:
Who is Eligible to Apply for Late Registration?
As provided by law (HRS §§338-15, 338-29.5), the following persons may apply for late registration:
* Any person born in Hawaii who is one year old or older and whose birth has not been previously registered in Hawaii, or that person’s parent, guardian, next of kin, or older person acting for that person and having knowledge of the facts of birth may request the registration of a late certificate of birth, except that an application will not be accepted for a deceased person.
Let's say you're 46 years old and were born in Hawaii...but for some reason never had your birth registered with Hawaii. You can apply for a late birth certificate by providing evidence that you were born in Hawaii. The acceptance of this evidence is a function of the department of health.
This evidence is then used to produce a Certification of Live Birth.
Note that you can have a Certification of Live Birth issued based upon evidence you provide. For all intents and purposes the state of Hawaii has now you issued you an original birth certificate...46 years after the fact.
Are you with me so far?
Suppose for a moment that Barak Hussein Obama's birth was never registered in Hawaii...for whatever reason. Maybe his parents forgot because he was born at home. Maybe he was born in another state. Or another country. Whatever.
He of course has no birth certificate from Hawaii. So he applies for a late registered birth certificate sometime in 2007 or maybe 2008.
When he does that, by law, the state of Hawaii is affirming that he was born in Hawaii...despite there not being a long form birth certificate and despite there never being any record before.
The Fukino Statements
Hawaii State Health Department director Chiyome Fukino M.D. has issued two press releases concerning Barak Obama's birth certificate. I'm sure most would agree that it's highly unusual for this to happen. Most "birthers" and most "anti-birthers" believe that she is helping Barak Obama by providing verification that he truly was born in Hawaii. But is she? Let's examine the two statements and compare them.
For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93 STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. “Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. “No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”
Statement two:
For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 09-063 STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
There are two thing that stand out. Statement 1 says "original birth certificate". Most birthers and anti-birthers believe this refers to an original, long form birth certificate. But it doesn't have to. If it were a late birth certificate filed for and created in 2007 then it would be the "original" birth certificate. Please note that it is ONE piece of paper.
How about the second statement? There is a small, but significant change:
"have seen the original vital records maintained on file"
Vital RECORDS...plural. Not vital record, as in A birth certificate. Records. Plural.
Now that's strange isn't it? Not so strange if the vital records are the evidence submitted by Obama to verify his birth in Hawaii.
Let me put it another way. Let's say I wasn't born in Hawaii, but I want a birth certificate from there. What would I do? I would apply for a LATE birth certificate. What evidence would I give? Why, I lived there for a number of years. My grandma signs a statement saying I was born there. I produce a letter I wrote to the Kapoliani center affirming my birth there. I appeal to a biography I wrote. And if it's good enough, they say "Ok, you were born here. We'll make you a Certification of Live Birth based upon the evidence you've given us.
This evidence then becomes the vital RECORDS to prove that I was born there.
But what if I'm fooling them? It doesn't matter. If they issue an original birth certificate based upon submitted evidence then they are affirming that he was born there.
But what if you worked in the Hawaii Department of Health and KNEW about this? You couldn't violate the law by saying it. So you usually carefully parsed statements designed to help investigators.
Reactions Makes Sense
This explains the reactions of many of our political leaders. The state of Hawaii DID affirm that he was born there even though he may not have been born there! He could have been born in...oh say..Kenya...and since the state of Hawaii said he was born there, he was born there. The only way to prove otherwise is to FIND a birth record from somewhere else that is authentic and even then...well...it would be quite the court battle and would drag on for years. Politicians want to be elected. They don't want one issue hanging around their necks for years.
The Reaction of the Left
Have you noticed how loud and strident the anti-birthers have been for the last week or so? What if they KNEW that Fukino was going to issue a new statement, but didn't know exactly what was in the statement? They would of course want to decry and belittle the whole notion of "birthers" as crackpots so the statement wouldn't be examined closely.
But look at the statements. Is Fukino trying to tell us something? Is she giving hints about how to go about this?
MissTickly has strong evidence of this in this thread
Other freepers have weighed in and provided more evidence.
Conclusion and Homework
The facts may be this:
1. Obama wasn't born in Hawaii.
2. He applied for a late registration birth certificate, possibly in 2006 or 2007...
How do we prove it? All we need to do is find out if the birth certificate on file is a LATE birth certificate.
If there is a LATE birth certificate issued then by law it must be stamped "late or altered"
§338-16 Procedure concerning late and altered birth certificates. (a) Birth certificates registered one year or more after the date of birth, and certificates which have been altered after being filed with the department of health, shall contain the date of the late filing and the date of the alteration and be marked distinctly “late” or “altered”.
Remember the first statement by Fukino? She had seen the "original" certificate? She never verified that the certificate floating online was the "original". The original would be marked "late" or "altered".
What IF the blacked out area of the first image posted on the internet said "Late or altered"?
There may be a way to legally get this information. It might be as simple as asking the Hawaii department of health to verify that Barak Obamas Certification of Birth on file is a late registration.
Go to it.
By getting to one who has access to them.
Thanks for the links...I think this whole thing is going to be exposed within a month or two...maybe.
Nice try and there are several folks who subscribe to this but it falls for the moment, but perhaps not permanently to Occam's razor.
This theory has to work around the birth announcement in the paper. As far as we all know, there was a birth announcement in the paper. Whether or not the info in the announcement was legit (lots of questions about the address listed), there was still something in the paper about the Messiah in 1961. Still, all interesting stuff. And, thanks again to Dobbs for taking this mainstream. This was all underground until he started talking about it.
See this thread.
There was a news story yesterday about a lady in Hawaii who had twins born the day after Obama in the hospital that Obama was supposed to have been born in. She has long form birth certificates. The twins were not in the newspaper. This suggests that the paper announcements were fakes.
See post 25...How hard would it be to find a left leaning sympathetic journalist to alter microfilm in Hawaii?
Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates
Enjoy the read.
True. Lots of things are possible, I guess. And, for less than 1/3 the cost of a carton of Marlboros, Zero can have his long form BC released and this whole thing can be put to bed.
“Nice try and there are several folks who subscribe to this but it falls for the moment, but perhaps not permanently to Occam’s razor.”
Well, in addition to accounting for some puzzling behavior by various officials, it does better explain 2 mysteries: 1) African being listed as race of father; and 2) the inconsistency between Fukino’s claiming to have seen original records and the more recent claim that all long-form BC’s were destroyed in 2001.
I haven’t been able to square those statements with that alleged 2001 destruction UNLESS Fukino is quite blatantly lying. But why would Fukino lie if, as the announcements in the paper imply, Obama really was born in Honolulu and hence had a birth certificate issued there within days of being born? So even Occam’s razor leaves us with a puzzle unresolved.
Perhaps we should be checking out all the other names in that list of birth announcements to see if they are real people. Maybe the whole thing is a fake and not just 0’s announcement.
Under this theory he doesn't have a long form birth certificate since he wasn't born there. Instead he supplied "evidence" in 2006 or 2007 that he was born there and the state of Hawaii issued a COLB based on the evidence submitted.
It explains WHY he can't release a long form. And it explains why Fukino said "vital records".
There's a theory that they cut and pasted Obamas over the Nordyk twins....so the others might be real. But it would be cool to see if they were.
I have to ping this thread. Great work!
Her making any statement at all is really weird. And each time just before she makes a statement the left ramps up the anti-birther rhetoric.
I'm convinced she's giving clues and trying very hard to not violate law while at the same time appalled by the forged COLB and tactics of the Obama camp.
I fundamentally agree, but it still leaves the contemporaneous loose ends of publications in several newspapers of the bogus birth announcement. Now, this announcement conveniently came to the fore just days after the death of the owner of the home that the Obama's never lived at. That goes with your thing.. but this is a conspiracy theory, rather than simple fraud to give a kid citizenship all those many years ago. However, perhaps someone has a backup of these films that is older than 3 years ago. That might be like the Nordyke twins, an eye opening moment.
LLS
Wow, maybe I should take a trip to Hawaii to prove that I was born in Hawaii AND Ohio! Better yet, someone who lives in Hawaii and was born out of state could more conveniently perform this “highly irregular” action.
Bump
I’m not a “birther” but it is looking more and more like the skunk was born in Kenya and mommy applied for the birth certificate when she returned to Hawaii. What a lying pig!It's the only answer that makes sense. The problem is that nobody with the power to enforce the Constitution on this law cares. To me, that has always been the principal problem.
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