Posted on 07/28/2009 8:55:15 PM PDT by DouglasKC
Is the State of Hawaii trying to help "birthers" by giving clues to Obama "late" birth certificate?
What is a "late" registration birth certificate?
If you were born in the state of Hawaii but your birth was never registered there you can apply for a late registered birth certificate.
The Hawaii Department of Health says this:
Who is Eligible to Apply for Late Registration?
As provided by law (HRS §§338-15, 338-29.5), the following persons may apply for late registration:
* Any person born in Hawaii who is one year old or older and whose birth has not been previously registered in Hawaii, or that person’s parent, guardian, next of kin, or older person acting for that person and having knowledge of the facts of birth may request the registration of a late certificate of birth, except that an application will not be accepted for a deceased person.
Let's say you're 46 years old and were born in Hawaii...but for some reason never had your birth registered with Hawaii. You can apply for a late birth certificate by providing evidence that you were born in Hawaii. The acceptance of this evidence is a function of the department of health.
This evidence is then used to produce a Certification of Live Birth.
Note that you can have a Certification of Live Birth issued based upon evidence you provide. For all intents and purposes the state of Hawaii has now you issued you an original birth certificate...46 years after the fact.
Are you with me so far?
Suppose for a moment that Barak Hussein Obama's birth was never registered in Hawaii...for whatever reason. Maybe his parents forgot because he was born at home. Maybe he was born in another state. Or another country. Whatever.
He of course has no birth certificate from Hawaii. So he applies for a late registered birth certificate sometime in 2007 or maybe 2008.
When he does that, by law, the state of Hawaii is affirming that he was born in Hawaii...despite there not being a long form birth certificate and despite there never being any record before.
The Fukino Statements
Hawaii State Health Department director Chiyome Fukino M.D. has issued two press releases concerning Barak Obama's birth certificate. I'm sure most would agree that it's highly unusual for this to happen. Most "birthers" and most "anti-birthers" believe that she is helping Barak Obama by providing verification that he truly was born in Hawaii. But is she? Let's examine the two statements and compare them.
For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93 STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. “Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. “No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”
Statement two:
For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 09-063 STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
There are two thing that stand out. Statement 1 says "original birth certificate". Most birthers and anti-birthers believe this refers to an original, long form birth certificate. But it doesn't have to. If it were a late birth certificate filed for and created in 2007 then it would be the "original" birth certificate. Please note that it is ONE piece of paper.
How about the second statement? There is a small, but significant change:
"have seen the original vital records maintained on file"
Vital RECORDS...plural. Not vital record, as in A birth certificate. Records. Plural.
Now that's strange isn't it? Not so strange if the vital records are the evidence submitted by Obama to verify his birth in Hawaii.
Let me put it another way. Let's say I wasn't born in Hawaii, but I want a birth certificate from there. What would I do? I would apply for a LATE birth certificate. What evidence would I give? Why, I lived there for a number of years. My grandma signs a statement saying I was born there. I produce a letter I wrote to the Kapoliani center affirming my birth there. I appeal to a biography I wrote. And if it's good enough, they say "Ok, you were born here. We'll make you a Certification of Live Birth based upon the evidence you've given us.
This evidence then becomes the vital RECORDS to prove that I was born there.
But what if I'm fooling them? It doesn't matter. If they issue an original birth certificate based upon submitted evidence then they are affirming that he was born there.
But what if you worked in the Hawaii Department of Health and KNEW about this? You couldn't violate the law by saying it. So you usually carefully parsed statements designed to help investigators.
Reactions Makes Sense
This explains the reactions of many of our political leaders. The state of Hawaii DID affirm that he was born there even though he may not have been born there! He could have been born in...oh say..Kenya...and since the state of Hawaii said he was born there, he was born there. The only way to prove otherwise is to FIND a birth record from somewhere else that is authentic and even then...well...it would be quite the court battle and would drag on for years. Politicians want to be elected. They don't want one issue hanging around their necks for years.
The Reaction of the Left
Have you noticed how loud and strident the anti-birthers have been for the last week or so? What if they KNEW that Fukino was going to issue a new statement, but didn't know exactly what was in the statement? They would of course want to decry and belittle the whole notion of "birthers" as crackpots so the statement wouldn't be examined closely.
But look at the statements. Is Fukino trying to tell us something? Is she giving hints about how to go about this?
MissTickly has strong evidence of this in this thread
Other freepers have weighed in and provided more evidence.
Conclusion and Homework
The facts may be this:
1. Obama wasn't born in Hawaii.
2. He applied for a late registration birth certificate, possibly in 2006 or 2007...
How do we prove it? All we need to do is find out if the birth certificate on file is a LATE birth certificate.
If there is a LATE birth certificate issued then by law it must be stamped "late or altered"
§338-16 Procedure concerning late and altered birth certificates. (a) Birth certificates registered one year or more after the date of birth, and certificates which have been altered after being filed with the department of health, shall contain the date of the late filing and the date of the alteration and be marked distinctly “late” or “altered”.
Remember the first statement by Fukino? She had seen the "original" certificate? She never verified that the certificate floating online was the "original". The original would be marked "late" or "altered".
What IF the blacked out area of the first image posted on the internet said "Late or altered"?
There may be a way to legally get this information. It might be as simple as asking the Hawaii department of health to verify that Barak Obamas Certification of Birth on file is a late registration.
Go to it.
I’m not a “birther” but it is looking more and more like the skunk was born in Kenya and mommy applied for the birth certificate when she returned to Hawaii. What a lying pig!
Ping for tomorrow.
This smells more and more everyday like Rat dung.
The question is was he a “Natural Born” or ‘Native born’ Citizen? Or is he a citizen at all? Or did he relinquish his citizenship in Indonesia? Or...or...or?
It is late and I am going from memory. But I believe there is another way he can have “records” not just a late registration.
This had to do with divorce and remarriage and name changes. Obama’s file could be pretty thick.
Seems like I read on the Hawaii health site about how changes could be made multiple times on the records, providing there was evidence and signatures of the right people.
Is the State of Hawaii trying to help "birthers" by giving clues to Obama "late" birth certificate?
What is a "late" registration birth certificate?
But look at the statements. Is Fukino trying to tell us something? Is she giving hints about how to go about this?
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On the same page with you...
I find it telling that his mother’s family did not approve of their 18 year old “hippie” daughter marrying Obama Sr., who had expressed racial bias against whites. They may have also known that if Obama Jr. only had Kenyan (British Colony) citizenship, his father might have more influence over him in the (inevitable) event of a divorce. Mrs. Dunham was working at a HI bank in 1961 and it would be reasonable to think the means were available to arrange for a flight home for the new mother and baby. From that point on, it would only take one or two “white lies” on the certificate of delayed birth to provide their only grandchild with US citizenship. Once the certificate was filed, the newspaper announcements would follow, as for any other birth. I can’t prove it happened, but it would have been easy to do.
Conjecture, yes. But when you look at the family dynamics, it makes sense. And it explains why BHO doesn’t want anyone figuring out that his “white” family perpetrated a hoax.
The term “records” offers more than one scenario....and I’m of the opinion that it’s a little different than the non-birth in Hawaii.
I think Stanley, the mother, upon marrying the Indonesian guy...gave up her citizenship and the kid’s. I think she was an enormously naive individual. Upon arriving in Indonesia...the kid has trouble from day one. He doesn’t fit into their society or school system. Stanly is a lousy mother. So at ten, Stanley gives up and hands him over to Grandma....who goes back to undo everything that Stanley did in terms of the citizenship episode.
That would explain the necessity of using the plural term “records”.
The “Late” COLB may explain why Obama’s race is listed as “African” and not Negro. The designation of African American to denote a person of negro ancestry is something that is very recent. It certainly wasn’t in use in 1961. The politically correct terminology in 1961 was Negro.
This is getting as convoluted as that health care chart published by the Republicans.
If his Certification of Live Birth was created in 2007 it's the same as if he had an original birth certificate. Legally, unless it's challenged, he is natural born according to Hawaii.
I think it's interesting that fukino made the statement about "natural born". To me it's like setting up birthers to challenge her statement in court.
Yup. But that COLB has also had to be altered. It should have "LATE" stamped on it in big letters. That's probably WHY Fukino always makes a point to say she verifies WHATS ON FILE...not the COLB floating around on the internet.
So if state law prohibits seeing the alleged birth certificate, can we at least take a peek at all of the other records on file?
That's the smoking gun. "Records" denotes multiple documents concerning the birth status of Obama. There's MORE than just a long form birth certificate. Your scenario could very well be true but I think this scenario explains his various trips to Hawaii.
The Dunhams sent Ann back to Seattle to have that baby, perhaps to a “home for unwed mothers” across the line in Canada.
That’s why she was in Seattle, as witnessed by old high school friends, in August ‘61 with the newborn and why she enrolled in school at the U. of Washington that fall.
Travel simply wasn’t as easy then as it is now, and particularly with a newborn.
Birth records are likely either in Washington state or Canada. Somebody up there should be looking.
All I can see is the WH is in panic mode....
Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report
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I don't know. They're vital records.
Hawaii law:
§338-16 Procedure concerning late and altered birth certificates. (a) Birth certificates registered one year or more after the date of birth, and certificates which have been altered after being filed with the department of health, shall contain the date of the late filing and the date of the alteration and be marked distinctly “late” or “altered”. (b) A summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for late filing or the alteration shall be endorsed on the certificates. (c) Such evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.
Vital records such as these are kept in a "special permanent file". How would one get to those?
Maybe Mommy applied for the Hawaii BC when she “divorced” dear old Dad...
When Junior needed to get a paasport to go to Indenesia...or be added to Mommy’s...
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