Posted on 07/28/2009 9:43:04 AM PDT by MindBender26
Behind the scenes, at many military bases across the country and around the world, a not-too quiet challenge is developing against Barack Obama and his questionable qualifications to be President of the United States.
Most FReepers are familiar with the ongoing civil litigation against Obama. Plaintiffs claim he is not constitutionally qualified to be president because he does not meet the legal description of a “natural-born citizen.”
Obama’s lawyers have never entered pleadings on the MERITS of the plaintiffs’ cases. They oppose the plaintiffs’ suits on the issue of “standing.” They claim the plaintiff’s do not have a right to sue. Generally, that “standing” claim is well-founded. Giving every citizen the right to sue the president would be a nightmare. Can you imagine George Bush defending 10,000,000 individual suits by Dems over the war in Iraq?
But recently, one plaintiff had a strong chance of being given “standing to sue.” The plaintiff was an Army Reserve Major, Stefan Frederick Cook, from the Tampa area. His call-up to active duty positioned him as a person who could demonstrate the likelihood of real damages if Obama was not a legally-elected president. Cook could be killed, wounded or even charged as a war criminal if Obama was not legally the president.
He sued, claiming Obama was not legally qualified to be President, not legally qualified to order him to do anything.
The judge was set to begin preliminary hearings when the government lawyers dropped a legal bomb. They canceled Maj. Cook’s orders for the obvious purpose of denying him standing. With Major Cook longer on activation orders, the case was moot and was dismissed by the judge.
This hugely significant legal surrender by the government was noticed by every lawyer in the country watching this issue. It also immediately became an enormous topic of conversation in every barracks in America. If Obama was willing to cancel one soldier’s deployment orders because of a court challenge to his right to be president, what would he do the next time someone raised the issue?
As a result, service members and lawyers began action immediately. It is believed that as many as 100 lawyers are preparing to file litigation such as Maj. Cook’s. This litigation would be in many courts across the country and put a huge strain on the Obama-DNC legal team. Do they cancel 100 sets of orders this week, only to face 1000 suits next week?
Even worse, sources close to some of the potential litigants tell me that at least four lawyers, including one very well known conservative Vietnam veteran-lawyer, are seeking enough clients so they can petition the court for the establishment of a Class of Plaintiffs in a proposed class action case. If that happens, then every military service member on orders for SWA would be covered.
At that point, Obama has no viable legal option. He has proven himself unwilling to try the case on its merits, and willing to cancel orders to avoid having to face discovery. How can he be POTUS and CINC if he cannot issue orders to the military he claims to command?
From there, every time Obama tries to act under color of law in any matter, military of not, someone sues and Obama’s action ceases.
This is an important turning point in a case of incredible constitutional and legal significance.
It's pretty obvious to me, that the order from Rahm and Axelrod went out to the Obama Ministry of Propaganda (aka, the MSM) that the eligibility issue had to be crushed with overwhelming force RIGHT NOW.
This is obviously why. They're scared to death now.
Right, after Rush we get a local guy in Florida, the Schnitt show out of Tampa, and he was furious of us proud "birthers," screaming full speed that we are lunatics and on the same level as the "thruthers" and his wife has a Hawaiian BC and the PINO for sure was a NBC. Yet, he opposes Barry's Rahm's politics!!!
There's no doubt that the word has gone out to everyone in the media, including conservative talk radio hosts, that the bc controversy will no longer be tolerated by His Highness, The One.
I wonder what these radio hosts are being threatened with, to cause such a violent, and simultaneous reaction from so many of them?
I think that Obama has done great damage to our country by letting this issue fester --- he should have cleared the air by making all of the documentation available about his citizenship status: all passports, past and present; his complete birth records (apostille, if necessary); and documentation of visa or citizenship status for his long sojourn in Indonesia.
The Kenyan Clown is showing marked contempt for this country and its citizens by not making everything clear. It would take so little effort, but yet he refuses.
Why?
Did they think the issue would simply end then and there? I'm no legal expert, but mere logic dictates that avoiding a showdown with major Cook over this issue by rescinding his orders was an invitation to a cascade of similar issues among even more members of the armed forces. Duh.
They had to know this was going to happen, which makes this entire thing even more frightening. It's like they are trying to obfuscate and delay for as long as possible, almost as if they know they are caught, but think if they put off the inevitable for long enough, then it won't matter because perhaps "circumstances" will change so much that no one will be able to do anything about it anyway.
People can argue about what documents are available where, what they mean, whether they're forged or not, or whether Obama is a NBC, but in the end, they answered my questions about the entire issue the minute they cancelled Cook's orders. What President is willing to set a dangerous precedent among members of the armed forces by backing down against an officer, except a President that is caught in a web of lies?
Everything else about this issue is now a red-herring, IMO. Obama, the wonder-commie, backed down from Major Cook, knowing full well the ramifications within the armed forces, of doing so. That's all anyone with an ounce of logic should need to know.
Obama is afraid of the truth, and is willing to have numerous other members of the armed forces come forward to confront him on the same issue as Cook did, rather than face that truth which he is so afraid of making public. It speaks for itself.
Our "president" is a made up usurper, manufactured out of whole cloth to serve his puppetmasters whims.
I’m with you. Release all the information, starting with the long form birth certificate.
You are correct. These laws that are quoted peretain to citizenship-not necessarily NBC as it pertains to a person’s qualification to be president.
Congress was given the power to pass immigration and naturalization laws, not to determine the definition of natural born.
It appears that any laws congress passes relate therefore to citizenship, but not NBC. The only thing I am certain of after reading constitution, court cases, state department rules, legal briefs, news articles etc. is this:
A person born in the US, to parents who are both citizens, subject to the US jurisdiction, and owing no alligiance to a foreign entity is a NBC and qualifies for president after meeting the other qualifications.
Beyond that, it has not been definitively defined. It is even uncertain whether a person born to US citizens while they are abroad are NCB for the purpose of qualifying for president. The State Department acknowledges this.
He was not legally married to Ann . As someone who works in Family court -another poster pointed out that you can say anything you want in a divorce. It doesn’t make it true.
Obama Sr was ALREADY married. There is plenty of evidence of that.
Obama was not a UK citizen without Ann going to Kenya and getting a customary marriage.
Furthermore, Kenya did not recognize a mix of customary and statutory marriages.
Obama Sr already had a customary marriage to a WIFE.
I don’t care whether you accept this or not.
It is the reality.
Are claiming that a court won’t look to the 14th amendment as it relates to the “subjected to the jurisdiction thereof” when addressing a natural born citizen case??
RUBBISH
They look to it when considering just plain citizenship cases.
Btw, read Wong because you keep saying the 14th Amendment doesn’t apply.
Excellent points!
EXACTLY. You sum it up nicely. Anyone claiming that Obama is not a NBC is only GUESSING - even Fukino - unless daddy isn’t Obama Sr. I am going to write that office today and question them on what rule of law they looked at to come to that determination.
The one thing I am not sure about is your concept of Congress not being able to pass a law defining natural born citizen. I think they just haven’t done it.
There are just too many facts that are unknown in this case. You have to stair step the analysis because of the Indonesian part of this. I didn’t even do much research into that angle but still found plenty of issues with just the beginning part of his story.
I see so much rubbish on this site. For example, someone posting that a statute used the words Natural born citizen..and then people run with it without checking it out.
I wish Mindbender would post where he found that..it wouldn’t surprise me in the least to find that it was at some lawyers site involved with this issue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
Here is maybe WHY....?
I mostly don’t agree with Alex Jones, but there is something in this video I think we all need to ponder over regardless of the length, there is always something fishy to be learned!
I specially like the analogy from the the black Hip-Hop Artist, KRS-ONE about Burger King, it says a lot about what we really are experiencing right now!!
Please do.
It is my firm opinion it began to stink when he squashed all his opponents in the Illinois State House and later as a U.S. Senator!
The smell became a foul odor when he swore falsely to 50 SOS on applications that he was a NBC!!
That odor became unbearable stinky when a coward chief judge Roberts knowingly swore this PINO on January 2009 as an illegal alien, an affirmative action's product and usurper into office to destroy our nation!!!
We all need gas mask???
So in other words, we or the Armed Forces don’t have a NBC case, right???
It’s tomorrow ;)
Please ping me if or when he wakes up. Thank you!!!!
Didn’t say that. You don’t have a case if he was born on US soil and to two US citizens unless there is something funky with the whole Indonesian part of it. If you could get into court you could subpeona all of those records.
Anything else - it is up to the courts to decide.
I would prefer it to be US soil to US citizens. I don’t think that is how SCOTUS would rule.
I definitely think someone was in there scrubbing info on his passport files.
Btw, a court could always look at this (not that they will)
Assuming he wasn’t born in Kenya and no customary marriage.., he couldn’t LEGALLY be UK citizen..but UK registered him as a citizen because a whole lot of lying went on (if that is what took place)..so he had an allegiance to UK, etc.
Supreme Court cases talk about allegiance. He grew up thinking he had an allegiance to the UK, yada yada yada. He is a lawyer and claimed he was a UK citizen. So maybe he was born in Kenya.
His history is such a mess, with so many lies that effect it, that a case in any court will be a nightmare to decide. I think the lower court will punt it up the line.
It really is something SCOTUS should decide.
The first step is getting it into court so you can get the records.
Since I believe that the CIA was involved with this family..I think it is going to be tough to get those records.
This is from my Blackberry, so will be short. Look at section 1401 USC for applicable law.
A divorce was granted, therefore a marriage was legally recognized, RummyChick. This is far more evidentiary than anything you’ve speculated about other marriages in Kenya.
And, despite your abrasive protestations, there is no Constitutional issue created by marriage or the lack of it, as far as transmission of citizenship from father to son. An unknown father, however, transmits no citizenship at all.
No one seems to have entertained the remote possiblity that our President was born stateless, legally. That’s as much a possibility as some of the other wild speculations that have been put forth, here and elsewhere.
But, all of this, while entertaining, is moot as I’ve said to you before. Barack Obama’s legally and personally acknowledged father was a foreigner, not even a resident alien, and was subject to a foreign power. That alone is sufficient to deduct that he was not and is not a natural-born citizen of the United States, under the clear, intended meaning of the specific, technical term of art “natural-born citizen,” as evidenced by Elg, Happersett, Bingham, Jay and Vattel.
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