Mormon leader to bring family records to Obama (hmmmmm)

Wash Times ^ | 7/20/09 | Chrissy Bellatoni

[pissant]

President Obama Monday is hosting the leader of the Mormon church at the White House, who will present the president with detailed volumes of Mr. Obama's family history.

Press aides said Latter-Day Saints Church President Thomas Monson and Elder Dallin Oaks, chairman of the LDS Church genealogical committee, will be there. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat and a Mormon, arranged the meeting and also will attend.

"LDS Church leadership has met with previous presidents and presented them with genealogical records detailing their family history," White House aides said.

A source said the church will present Mr. Obama with five large leather-bound volumes that go back through generations of the president's family. Mr. Obama's father was born in Kenya. His mother Stanley Ann Dunham was from Kansas.

The meeting, to take place in the Oval Office on Monday afternoon, is closed to the press and was first announced Sunday night.

[lady lawyer]

Nobody would send you a whole microfilm for free. You would have to go to a library to view it. If the microfilm is in a Mormon genealogy library, you can view it for free.

And, the church doesn’t make money on its genealogical work.

[Tennessee Nana]

But, again, you can’t let any mention of Mormons pass without taking a shot, can you?
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I was talking about genealogy all this time...

But, you Ms Lawyer, can’t let any mention of anything pass without taking a shot for your mormons, can you?

Cant you keep your mind of one subject ???

What kind of a lawyer are you ???

Cant you focus on one thing ???

Buty asd you opened the can of worms...

The main thrust for the “family research” is to get names of people to dead dunk...

Plus make a bundle of money..

So you better be nice to me...

Like President Obama, I’m sealed to an ancestral dead dunked brand mormon...

[Tennessee Nana]

It’s really interesting watching you try to put a negative spin on everything.

Since you know I have no ancestors who came through Ellis Island...

[lady lawyer]

I have no knowledge about your ancestors. How would I?

[Tennessee Nana]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

And yet you have been “mind reading” me...

Still its reassuring that you will admit there may be something you might not know...

BTW anyone who really knows me knows my family history...

I havent kept them secret and I post the info in appropriate threads...

Maybe if you read some and dont just jump...

Plus several if them are in the IGI and other places in “family research”

The info isnt always correct of course...

[lady lawyer]

That’s hilarious. You think I should look up your posting history and read it all? Why on earth would I do that? I have a life.

[LoneRangerMassachusetts]

How do they know where to start without a valid BC?

I have never heard of a genealogical search depending on birth certificates. Usually, a search takes on face value record available to the public. A ship's manifest would list immigrants at the port of entry. They often used misspelled names.I doubt many immigrants had birth certificates in the early 1900's. I'll bet the use of a birth certificate is more the exception than the rule in genealogical searches.

[Elsie]

Thank GOD that O's BIRTH CERTIFICATE will FINALLY be revealed!!

[Elsie]

A source said the church will present Mr. Obama with five large leather-bound volumes that go back through generations of the president's family.

 

Hey Barak!!

 

 

HAve a bit more 'MORMON' records!!!

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"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.

 

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Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

  2 Nephi 5: 21    'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

  Alma 3: 6    'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'

 

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August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)

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 1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."

 

 

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We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.

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Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).

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When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."

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When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)

 

 

 

[pissant]

It was not my intention for this to become an anti-mormon thread.

[Elsie]

But, you can’t miss an opportunity to say something negative about Mormons, can you?

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”

[Elsie]

Really, you are obsessed with us, aren’t you?

Is she sending pairs of young people to your door AGAIN??

I thought she'd stopped that!

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Bad NANA!

[Elsie]

 

Anyway, we do the best we can, and genealogists from all over the world appreciate our resources, despite the efforts of some here to denigrate our efforts.

 

 

I just HATE when that happens!!

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Statements by Mormon Leaders about Christian churches (made by many of the LDS Prophet-Presidents):

 

Joseph Smith stated that God told him: "they [other churches] were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:19).

 

Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).

 

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[Elsie]

And the question is why?

WE are victims of ABUSE by supposed LOVING 'christians'.

--MormonDupe(I have been made fun of myself)

[Elsie]

But, again, you can’t let any mention of Mormons pass without taking a shot, can you?

 

 

I know that I sure can't!!!

 

 

 

 

2 Corinthians 11:12
  And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. 

 

 

[Sequoyah101]

I wasn’t very clear about that. It does no good to sling insults but yes, he is scum.

We commonly refer to the stuff at the bottom of the ocean as whale stuff and leaves.

[Elsie]

It was not my intention for this to become an anti-mormon thread.

I thought it was an anti-CHRISTIAN thread that needed a little balance.

[pissant]

You need to think clearer then.

[Tennessee Nana]

Yes you do have an adgenda

A life ???

Well, how would I know that ????

:)

[El Gato]

The visit comes as a small but vocal group continues to question Mr. Obama's citizenship with unsuccessful lawsuits challenging the legitimacy of the president's birth certificate. Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii.

Is that what the geneology says? Does it have a copy of his long form BC?

As to the lawsuits being "unsuccessful", "unheard" would be a more accurate term. They've all been thrown out on "standing", "jurisdiction", "ripeness", or "mootness", or are still pending. None have gotten to the "discovery" phase, none have looked at any documentation.