Posted on 07/20/2009 9:34:42 AM PDT by pissant
President Obama Monday is hosting the leader of the Mormon church at the White House, who will present the president with detailed volumes of Mr. Obama's family history.
Press aides said Latter-Day Saints Church President Thomas Monson and Elder Dallin Oaks, chairman of the LDS Church genealogical committee, will be there. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat and a Mormon, arranged the meeting and also will attend.
"LDS Church leadership has met with previous presidents and presented them with genealogical records detailing their family history," White House aides said.
A source said the church will present Mr. Obama with five large leather-bound volumes that go back through generations of the president's family. Mr. Obama's father was born in Kenya. His mother Stanley Ann Dunham was from Kansas.
The meeting, to take place in the Oval Office on Monday afternoon, is closed to the press and was first announced Sunday night.
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his place of birth is irrelevant to what they are doing, I’m confident they will take his word for who his parents are.
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So am I...
They could care less...
They will probably discuss AMNESTY for those illegal alien mormon missionaries who also have places of birth that “is irrelevant to what they are doing”
These are not mine ...
10. Yea, those fundies in Texas are whack jobs, but I do find the women’s hairstyles, dresses and absolute obedience very sexy.
9. MMM was just a little misunderstanding.
8. Two words: BYU coeds.
7. Would you give us funds to excavate the Hill Cumorah, I just know there is a big cave under there and millions of dead bodies.
6. Don’t be silly, of course we are all going to vote Democrat in the next election.
5. Can I have a Pepsi, my wife won’t let me drink it at home.
4. That silly stuff that Brigham Young said about any blacks marrying whites needing to die does not apply to your parents.
3. We really didn’t mean to dead dunk your grandmother without your permission, but I’m sure she is much happier now.
2. Are there any TARP funds available for the City Creek project?
1. Can you fund a study to find our why God changed Native Americans DNA on us?
I am glad to see that he has taken Dallin Oaks with him. He is a brilliant lawyer, and solid conservative,
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Really...
And yet you keep screaming for the constitution...
Dallin Oakes was the lawyer who wrote that paper a few years ago that “proved” it was legal for Joey Smith as Mayor of Nauvoo to destroy the printing press of the Nauvoo Expositor thus violating the 1st Amendment rights of William Law...
What say you of that Ms Constitution lover ?????
Some of the private research posted on the website it just that — private research. A date can come from a family bibles, oral tradition and memory, or it can be a guess, based on contextual information. Any careful genealogist will take that information as a starting point, and then verify with original documentation, to the extent it is possible. That’s certainly the way that I was taught to do it.
But, you can’t miss an opportunity to say something negative about Mormons, can you?
The most valuable information on FamilySearch and at the Church genealogy is the census information, plus the microfilms of parish records, and other records considered authoritative.
When I found my grandfather with most of his children but the wrong wife, I asked how that could happen. I was told that Mormons are required to submit a certain number of genealogies and some people submit almost anything.
I'm not Mormon so I don't know if this is really true.
I haven’t seen the paper, and I’m not about to accept your characterization of it. Really, you are obsessed with us, aren’t you?
We are not “required” to submit anything. I have never submitted anything. As I said, the private genealogies on the website are not meant to be taken as “proof” of anything. They are a starting point, to be verified with source documents, when possible. The Church has a large collection of source documents. Those are the most valuable. The private genealogies are more useful in establishing relationships and giving a person a place to start.
Sometimes mistakes are made. Some members are more careful than others when compiling their genealogies. I was taught to try to verify every date, not just accept was Aunt Millie thought was correct. But not everyone does that.
Also, it is easy even for a careful researcher to make a good faith mistake. Then is especially true if there is someone with the same name, in the same location, and the records are sparse.
Anyway, we do the best we can, and genealogists from all over the world appreciate our resources, despite the efforts of some here to denigrate our efforts.
Us ??? We ???
Is that the royal ???
Your own BYU TV had a program on that paper by Dallin Oakes...
So it has to be real...
and “twoo”...
The most valuable information on FamilySearch and at the Church genealogy is the census information
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That can still be got elsewhere for no cost, thank goodness...
The mormons charge $5.50 a single microfilm for the rest...
They “own” the info...Its big business for the Morg
Some service...at a price...
Plus they spent $Millions of mormon tithers money going after one little man just because he set up a tiny shop to search familty members..
Some legitimacy there...
Crush the “competition”
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
He might get 10 paying customers we dont get...
Wipe him out...
And you demand that I taker that unAmerican “family research” thingy seriously ???
Really, you are a drama queen, aren’t you?
I can’t believe the way you misrepresent things. If you are ordering a whole microfilm — which can contain hundreds of pages — then $5.50 would probably just cover the cost.
All the stuff on the website, including the census, is free. The Church doesn’t make money on its genealogy work, although it spends a lot of money on it. The library is free.
Yes, the Church tried to protect “Family Search” from a commercial encroachment. So what? They had established the website and spent millions developing it.
Church members have also done millions of hours of free work inputting data from public records, so that others can access it for free. All of the data on ellisislandrecords.org was put into searchable form by Mormon volunteers. Mormon volunteers have been working on inputting other records, like the Freedmen’s Bank, so that other people can search it.
You can snipe all you want, but all it does is reveal your irrational, hateful obsession with putting down Mormons.
All the stuff on the website, including the census, is free.
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AMuch of the stuff on the website, is lists of microfilms...
The actual good stuff is not there...
Just the unsubstantiated stuff..
The census stuff can be got elsewhere..
Any library has the same..
It appears that more and more the LDS are not the only kids on the block...
Serious genealogists dont use them...
And BTW
No, I’m not the one that is obsessed with Joey Smith and his home made religion...
Just wondering.
Church members have also done millions of hours of free work inputting data from public records, so that others can access it for free.
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CVhurch members just hand in lists of unsubstantiated names...
The LDS do not check them for accuracy...
Most historical societies and groups wont allow the LDS so called research to be used as proof of ancestry for membership
That ought to tell you something about the level of trust that is lacking...
There is census information on FamilySearch.org. If they list microfilms, it’s because they haven’t yet inputted the data on the microfilms.
Hmmm. Whenever I have been to the genealogy library, it is full of “serious genealogists.” The LDS genealogy library is considered a resource by most “serious genealogists.” To the extent other resources are cropping up, great. That means we can use them, too, and the Church won’t have to spend money to duplicate them. Since our genealogical resources aren’t a source of income, we would celebrate the advent of other resources. We aren’t in competition.
But, again, you can’t let any mention of Mormons pass without taking a shot, can you?
If you are ordering a whole microfilm — which can contain hundreds of pages — then $5.50 would probably just cover the cost.
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For just one name, which may or may not be there...
Then if there’s 10 microfilms, which does one look at ???
all 10 ???
$55.000
Then if there are 10 names one needs to research...
That’s 100 microfilms....
That’s $550.00...
As a “genealogist”, you see the problem ???
Budgeting the funds needed...
Why bother helping the Morg get rich when the info is out there elsewhere..
and properly sourced
and free ???
To the extent other resources are cropping up, great
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Ah your Morg just lost a case and spent millions suing a little genealogist....
Are you sure you think that’s “great”
You are mixing apples and oranges, in your continuing effort to denigrate all things Mormon. Either you have no idea what you are talking about, or you do, and you are deliberately misstating things. Which is it?
The family records, pedigree charts and family group sheets on FamilySearch never were intended or offered as “proof,” and Mormon genealogists don’t take them as “proof.” We wouldn’t expect anyone else to take them as “proof.” As I have said several times on this thread, they are a starting place for researchers. They can establish relationships, they can give information about places of origin, telling you where to search for authoritative source documents, which are things like public records and parish records.
The “proof” is in those authoritative source documents. We have a lot of those. Some are on the website, and can be searched for free. Some are on microfilm in the library, where they can be searched for free. If you don’t want to come to the library, and you want your own copy of the microfilm, you can order a copy, and pay enough to cover the cost of making it and sending it.
When the Mormons are inputting data — as volunteers — they are doing just that. They are not just “handing in anything.” If you look at ellisislandrecords.org, for example, you can verify all the data inputted by the volunteers, because there are photographs of the original ship manifests from which the searchable data was copied. It’s really kind of amazing and neat, if you have any ancestors who came through Ellis Island.
It’s really interesting watching you try to put a negative spin on everything.
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